Fake Protect-O-Plates...

[PeteLeathersac]

Thanks for saying what I gave up trying to say after wasting an hour or so a few nights ago..

I can't find the Steve rocks sign...but he does!!!

~ Pete

[Steve Shauger]

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This stuff scares the Crap out of me. I've already seen build sheets , cowl tags, VIN tags that are VERY VERY good!!!! And now protecto Plates..... Tough to Judge a real car anymore..........

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Every time someone purchases these faked components/docs it just give these people more incentive and resources to perfect their deceptive practices.

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

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Thanks for saying what I gave up trying to say after wasting an hour or so a few nights ago..

I can't find the Steve rocks sign...but he does!!!

~ Pete



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Ya know it's really cool to me to have a documented car. I know that I have spent more money on my stuff because of the paper, and I was happy to do that to get something important to me.

Although my stuff is not such a big deal compared to some others, It just really bugs the Cr*p out of me that people are producing these products.

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ok i'm kidding......yes, its a made up name.......

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To have avoided any possible doubt about it being fake you should have used the name:

MILES O SETTLE


That's an anagram for:

ELLIOT M ESTES



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or another good name would be "Hugh R. Riptoff"



years from now when we are all dead and this internet fad dies down (sorry Algore) someone will try to pass all these bogus cars with docs that were put together by "just for show" criminals as real cars.

so what have you done for this hobby lately?


Why would I feel bad? My POP has the real name of the real person that bought my car new. everything else is

JMHO

[kwhizz]

Sort of makes it easier to have "Documented" Super "Rare" car that just happens to show up ......

Ken

[wagonman]

Answers to a few opinions....dont be upset,please read and try to evaluate what i'm saying...ok?

i love all your opinions and i'm not being negative in any way.....


1.)Don't kid yourselves guys like this are hurting the value

of all Chevy's and slowly over time eroding the market and

confidence for muscle cars in general. Absolutely devastating

for the hobby and has been for years.

A.) true..you can blame gm for not using the vins as a way of

determining a cars true pedigree and not keeping records.

you can also blame

the people that produces tags..etc....one of the reasons mopar

brings the big bucks....vins dont lie!

2.)Tommy, It is also a joke when "people" sell repo parts as NOS on e-bay.......

A.)ok,thats a little off topic but i agree.....

3.)Wagonman for some reason YOU feel justified in reproducing a car to exact standards IE restamping components and fake paperwork. I don't get that at all (yes they only made one convert Z28), but yet you find it immoral, dishonest sickening if someone procures faked components or documentation.

What you have done is keep these crooks in business. That goes for anyone buying restamped or fake documents. I have heard all the rationalizations: I'll never sell the car, its the only one made, I can't afford original parts so I buy restamped components. None of them have any merit to me. Again buying these fake components/documents is creating a market and enabling the crooks. Just say NO!

A.)I find it satisfying in reproducing a car to exact standards IE restamping components and fake paperwork.

please dont be surprized that it can be done.you know whats going on....i'm just trying to educate the possible buyers that such practices exist....not how to do them....if they want to know how, they can find out on the net...
as a matter of fact.you can find out how to make weapons of mass destruction.did you realize that?
as far as keeping the crooks in bussiness mine was just one transaction,but i see your point.

perhaps i created more interest for others to do the same and possibly this may lead to more transactions.this is a unfortuanate bi-product that i don't like.. .....

the main focus is educating againsed potential forgery of high dollar vehicles...making forged documents far less effective in the long run.

4.)years from now when we are all dead and this internet fad dies down (sorry Al Gore) someone will try to pass all these bogus cars with docs that were put together by "just for show" criminals as real cars.

so what have you done for this hobby lately?

A.)i will have educated againsed such behavior,so hopefully i have done alot for this hobby.

if a buyer does his homework before his purchase,fake docs will be uneffective.


i'm almost like the messenger.please don't kill me!

[Hylton]

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.. Why would I feel bad? My POP has the real name of the real person that bought my car new. everything else is

JMHO

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Yes but how do you prove it after the original owner and anyone else who knew the car is no longer alive? What will make your POP any different from the guy who used the aged POP with the fake name? Not much.

Pretty soon these scammers will be dropping some old guy a few bucks to say he used to own it and then put his name on the fake POP. How do you prove otherwise in that case?

The more that crap starts happening, the less merit your real POP will have because everyone will doubt everything. These immoral practices will have an impact on everyone who thinks they are safe because their car has real docs.

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"A.)i will have educated againsed such behavior,so hopefully i have done alot for this hobby."

So if I show you how to make a home made cannon and fire it into my neighbors house am I educating you on how NOT to play with explosives? I don't see your logic.

[wagonman]

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.. Why would I feel bad? My POP has the real name of the real person that bought my car new. everything else is

JMHO

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Yes but how do you prove it after the original owner and anyone else who knew the car is no longer alive? What will make your POP any different from the guy who used the aged POP with the fake name? Not much.

Pretty soon these scammers will be dropping some old guy a few bucks to say he used to own it and then put his name on the fake POP. How do you prove otherwise in that case?

The more that crap starts happening, the less merit your real POP will have because everyone will doubt everything. These immoral practices will have an impact on everyone who thinks they are safe because their car has real docs.

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A.)dmv history can be a poor way of determining a cars true pedigree.but radiocarbon dating documents can and will be a sure way of determination.i know this may sound extreme but as we evolve in our technology this is what it comes down to....i'm sure data banks will eventually lists all the true high dollar cars by vin#.a fake car can be determined through extensive research.determining the block,heads etc....a real good recreation that utilizes true era correct components will be expensive to biuld in the first place.making it worth a few bucks in itself.would it be worth that expense and effort? not without true doc's..not fake ones....remember,docs can be authenticated.

as far as less merit of a real pop...i'm sorry to say but that has already happened.....

[HiHorse]

I would think that a Canadian sold car is the only way to go. The VIN can be verified any time through GM Canada.
With the market saturated with fake paperwork, I'm glad all my cars are Canadian sold