1967 Impala SS427 L-72?

[mssl72]

You sound very sure of that fact. What kind of evidence do you have? I for one would love to believe that the records exist and will turn up. I have a very good friend that has worked at GM for over 30 years. He's got friends all over there including friends in the archives. Even his friends in the archives have been digging to see if something is around. Many of them are true car guys that would love to find a stash of paperwork. Nobody has found anything. I guess there's always a chance, but in this case it's almost too slim to measure.

[Steven J]

From the Rt. 66 Classic event on Saturday.

[442w30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mssl72</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sound very sure of that fact. What kind of evidence do you have? I for one would love to believe that the records exist and will turn up. I have a very good friend that has worked at GM for over 30 years. He's got friends all over there including friends in the archives. Even his friends in the archives have been digging to see if something is around. Many of them are true car guys that would love to find a stash of paperwork. Nobody has found anything. I guess there's always a chance, but in this case it's almost too slim to measure. </div></div>

I've got my sources, so I can only go by their veracity. And by archives, you mean the Heritage Center? *If* it ever sees the light of day, it likely won't be a part of the Heritage Center.

[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 442w30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mssl72</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sound very sure of that fact. What kind of evidence do you have? I for one would love to believe that the records exist and will turn up. I have a very good friend that has worked at GM for over 30 years. He's got friends all over there including friends in the archives. Even his friends in the archives have been digging to see if something is around. Many of them are true car guys that would love to find a stash of paperwork. Nobody has found anything. I guess there's always a chance, but in this case it's almost too slim to measure. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">I've got my sources, so I can only go by their veracity. And by archives, you mean the Heritage Center? *If* it ever sees the light of day, it likely won't be a part of the Heritage Center. </span></div></div>

I can't believe I just read that. Common decency prevents me from commenting further.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif[/img]

[mssl72]

Not Heritage Center related at all. Real Archives, Engineering, Research and Development. These are guys that can pull blueprints for bolts that that were used to put brackets on mid 60's big blocks to see who the supplier was, plating type, head marking, etc. These are guys that were Project Managers for Corvettes, Cadillac XLR, new Camaro designers. Like I said, real car guys that want to find anything and everything. If one day stuff shows up, I would welcome it. But I'm definitely not holding my breath.

[bergy]

I agree Mark - never say never, but highly unlikely that documentation exists. I was fortunate to have transfered around GM quite a bit during the late 60s and throughout the 70s (assembly plant, foundry division, Warren R&amp;D). IMO the best chance of finding docs would have been at the assembly plant level. I got to follow a few &quot;executive requests&quot; through the process at the St. Louis assembly plant, but I never recall having kept written documents on them. We did have written AVOs, but didn't file them post build. Government emission certifications were required for drive train combinations - a non-compliant build wasn't something that was advertised. Also, including non-standard components at the assembly line level was an invitation for problems that had the potential of stopping the line - so most of the major &quot;specials&quot; would be done in the repair area or in the garage. All official paperwork (including trim tags) would show a standard build.

[442w30]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I can't believe I just read that. Common decency prevents me from commenting further.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif[/img] </div></div>

Well, Verne, you're welcome to remove any decency with me if you wish. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]

The point is that there's always hope. I know a story of things moving forward from a person in-the-know, yet the Heritage Center knew nothing about this. This is from two years ago, and I haven't heard an update since then.

I certainly didn't expect this to change the course of the thread. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img]

[GTO_DON]

Im just throwing this out there and not stirring the pot. But if all the record exist for pontiac and buick and olds then why is there no records for their biggest most profitable division? I am one of the minority that believes these records exist and someone at the top does not want them released due to the firestorm that would come from it. Just a thought.

[ANDY M]

Guys, when Jim Mattison spoke at the MCACN last year, he revealed that he found the records, but he was a day late and a dollar short. According to Jim, he tracked down the information that there was a warehouse in PA with all of the Chevrolet records on microfiche. The bad news was that some GM bean counter had decided that they were more than 7 years old, and therefore obsolete. The contents of the warehouse were destroyed as a cost cutting measure.

END OF STORY. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif[/img]


btw, Jim owns the PHS, and worked in the Chevrolet central office back in the day. I believe him.

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> But if all the record exist for pontiac and buick and olds then why is there no records for their biggest most profitable division? .......someone at the top does not want them released due to the firestorm that would come from it. </div></div>

I agree except for I do not understand why the other divisions have released the records and gotten no firestorm. I am not sure why GM would suffer for individuals who cloned cars. Where would they be legally in trouble with that? What am I missing?