GTO Barn Find

[427freak]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427freak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trying to add more but it will only take jpg not jpeg? </div></div>

If you figure this out please let me know.... I can't post pics from my IPhone any more:-( probably operator error:-)

Ryan </div></div>

Ryan
I used this converter and it worked great. Very fast too. Also reduces the pic just a bit so it fits better here. Oh, and it is free!
http://image.online-convert.com/convert-to-jpg

[427freak]

Thanks Guys
I was planning to just clean up and make safe like you suggested. Showing 43k on the odometer, ?? Steering wheel and door panels are nice, crack in dash, drivers seat torn and headliner hanging down. If I address those interior will be nice. Got some 8 tracks with it, seller said it works.
When I finally started looking hard at the car it was dark out and I had the lights on, I sprayed the underside liberally with Raid and a minute later all these black and brown widows started coming the down from the car slowly dying and then I spot sprayed of course. Spiders don't usually bother me but it was night and I was alone in shop and I started feeling them in my mind landing on me. Does that ever happen to you. I fogged the car last night. Cleaned them out pretty good.
Learning a lot of Pontiac info here, thanks, so if the earliest Ram Air car was 12D, does that mean the highest HP engine before that was 350 hp, or was it just the hood option added?? Also, Tracker1 Des, your Black car is so similar to this one, crazy...

[Tracker1]

SPIDERS ARE AWFUL.

Yes your interior looks EXACTLY like mine - 3 chrome gauges hung from bottom of dash and 8 track sitting on the console, everything - I thought I was looking at my own car.

I do find it hard to believe that there isn't an earlier ram air car than mine , but so far no. The Pontiac guys have not yet nailed down the point of availability for Ram Air motors for 1969 model year - it was a whole new system for '69 with the interior driver-operated pull cable and hood flappers and its availability may have been delayed.

But your engine - being a 4-speed car - is functionally equipped with the same engine as a Ram Air III - (does it have #48 heads?) just without all the induction paraphernalia and foam air cleaner stuff...the automatics had a different (tamer) cam, heads and gearing than 4-speeds so is considered more &quot;sluggish&quot;

[442w30]

Des, not sure I'm feeling the characterization of the similarities between the two engines.

It's my understanding that the carb is different between the two.

Plus, the heads and cam were different in the beginning of the year, but eventually the RAIII was downgraded to feature the same cam and heads as the 400/350 MT.

[Tracker1]

Diego , not gonna get into the dates of running changes
Of the swap from the 744 cam to the 068 cam in the III engine
(Customer complaints to GM re cold start problems) but yes that happened.
And the carbs have a different number on the body BUT
Have Very little functionally different and the 7028273 carb has been found on
Some WT coded 4 speed non ram air cars. The heads were 48s on both
Engines at that time that the two cars were built in late '68 I assure you.

[427freak]

Des
Yes it has the 48 heads and I believe came with a 066 cam? Thanks for the Ram info making more sense to me now.

[Rixls6]

Cool find. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
Look forward to how it cleans up.

[Xplantdad]

Very cool Dana!

[GTO_DON]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Diego , not gonna get into the dates of running changes
Of the swap from the 744 cam to the 068 cam in the III engine
(Customer complaints to GM re cold start problems) but yes that happened.
And the carbs have a different number on the body BUT
Have Very little functionally different and the 7028273 carb has been found on
Some WT coded 4 speed non ram air cars. The heads were 48s on both
Engines at that time that the two cars were built in late '68 I assure you.
</div></div>Just for the record the Ram air cars had 48 heads which is correct but had a slightly stiffer spring setup for the 068 cam and had a different distributor,better flowing ram air exhaust manifolds and the carb was jetted differently to give you the boost in horsepower. Personally I've never come across a WT motor to ever have a 273 carb but never say never with a pontiac.

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Diego , not gonna get into the dates of running changes
Of the swap from the 744 cam to the 068 cam in the III engine
(Customer complaints to GM re cold start problems) but yes that happened.
And the carbs have a different number on the body BUT
Have Very little functionally different and the 7028273 carb has been found on
Some WT coded 4 speed non ram air cars. The heads were 48s on both
Engines at that time that the two cars were built in late '68 I assure you.
</div></div>Just for the record the Ram air cars had 48 heads which is correct but had a slightly stiffer spring setup for the 068 cam and had a different distributor,better flowing ram air exhaust manifolds and the carb was jetted differently to give you the boost in horsepower. Personally I've never come across a WT motor to ever have a 273 carb but never say never with a pontiac. </div></div>

Right on, forgot about the manifolds Don - big difference there.