Yellow Canadian L89

[William]

The ZL1s in question were at Merollis Chev in Detroit:

#11 N609016
#24 N609838
#32 N610515
#37 N612963
#50 N620498

#11 was recovered quickly and has been in Ohio with the same owner for many years. #24 was recovered and scrapped in MA in the early '70s. The remainder show no history at all but were not titled to an insurance company when I was chasing them years ago meaning they were recovered and processed. #43 N615362 was privately owned when it was stolen off the lot at Hauser Chev in PA and is still registered to an insurance company indicating it was never recovered.

[njsteve]

If they were not titled to an insurance company after the loss that would most likely mean the rights to the cars were at the time of the theft, and still are, in Chevrolet's hands. That means there are tons of internal Chevy/GM lawyers just standing by, waiting for the minute one of these cars surfaces and Chevy wants it back for their historical collection.

[olredalert]

--------Hey Steve,,,Im wondering what the 6 and 1 mean that are stamped inward on your tag???........Bill S

[njsteve]

My guess is that they are inspectors' stamps of some sort. No more "P" "T" or "B" paint stamps in 1972, maybe this replaced them.

[Charley Lillard]

I would guess they were stamped by the dealer as a type of inventory.

[Hylton]

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I do not own the L89 for sale!.....

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My bad Richard! I just assumed that you were the owner since you were the one trying to sell it in Hemmings. Here's some free advertising anyways:

[William]

Nope, they were ripped from a dealer meaning the dealer owned them. If they were still in limbo they would be registered to whomever paid the claim. Since they weren't [I ran the VINs several times] the conclusion is they were recovered and processed through an auction. One of them was used to bash open the gate and may have been scrapped. The VINs were not known until the early '80s so it is possible the others were rebuilt, driven daily for many years and scrapped. Or maybe became race cars-having walked the pits at dragstrips countless times I know there are many 69s with no VIN plate. One of them could easily have been a Merollis ZL1.

[Chevy454]

[I'll get this one for ya, Hylton! LOL!!]

Sorry to hijack(!), but let's keep the misplaced ZL-1 chatter in the appropriate thread, okie dokie?! It will make it easier to find down the road when these things turn up (ha ha!)... 5 newly found ZL-1s

[musclecarjohn]

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[I'll get this one for ya, Hylton! LOL!!]

Sorry to hijack(!), but let's keep the misplaced ZL-1 chatter in the appropriate thread, okie dokie?! It will make it easier to find down the road when these things turn up (ha ha!)... 5 newly found ZL-1s

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But is Hylton OK with that...?

[Hylton]

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I do not own the L89 for sale! I do however have a fully documented original body, original engine Copo for sale. I would like for anyone interested to personally come and see my car. I have every stich of documentation and paperwork from previous owners. In addition to that I have the entire restoration very well photographed from start to finish. I find it very interesting that the people questioning the authenticity of things neither own a rare car and in most cases have never actually built a car of any description! Just an observation! I would gladly pay Mr.Jerry M's fee to document my car should someone be serious about purchasing. If there are any other questions about my cars or the quality of restoration please refer to the previous thread about my car when it was for sale last year. That should clear up any questions about its authenticity.

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Nobody was answering Terry's initial question so on my way home, I pulled a UVIP on the car so that it can be clear who owns it and who this "one owner" was.

For those of you not living in Ontario, a UVIP is a document which can be purchased by anyone (even online) who is considering purchasing an Ontario based vehicle. Many states have a similar program and I do recommend spending the extra time and money when buying an expensive car.

All that is required is a VIN number OR the license plate number. This document identifies the car in question, whether there are any liens on it, it's current owner and the cars previous owners. In other words, you get vehicle history.

Here is the UVIP for this car:





As indicated in Section 2 above, the current owner is Phillip Robinson who is Richard English's business partner at Camaro Heaven (unless things have changed). Phillip took ownership of the car on June 6, 2006.

Section 3 of an Ontario UVIP identifies all previous owners of a car. Richard English took ownership of this car on July 15, 2005 from David James Mattina and Mathew G. Langford. David James Mattina and Mathew G. Langford registered this car on Spetember 17, 2004.

So what surprised me is when I compared the information on this official state document to the selling information on the Hemmings ad, a few questions came to light:

1. The Hemmings ad indicates this car as being a one owner car yet when I look at the UVIP, it was co-owned by 2 guys. Did the two guys buy the car together in 1969? They would have had to if the Hemmings claim is true.

2. Why if David Mattina / Matthew Langford were in fact the original owners as claimed, did they only register the car on September 17, 2004, 35 years after buying it? I would think the car would have been in a state not requiring a full resto if that was the case.

3. In the Hemmings ad it mentions that seller is in possesion of a letter from the original owner indicating that the M22 "transmission was replaced after just a few weeks of service". Who might that person be?

4. Why does the car have a fake trim tag on it if it has so few owners? Who put the fake trim tag on the car?

5. Which one of the 3(4) owners restored the car?

This are just questions that came to mind after reviewing this public/published information.

How come the owner can't come onto this site and clear up any issues? You are trying to sell a car for $225,000!!!! Do you think people are stupid enough to hand over that kind of cake without the questions above being answered? Mr. Robinson, if you want to sell your car, I suggest you respond to my questions.