Fake Protect-O-Plates...

[Born30YrsLate]

...burn the repop paperwork prior to sale...

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

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A.) true..you can blame gm for not using the vins as a way of

determining a cars true pedigree and not keeping records.

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Sounds like Blame the gun not the guy who pulls the trigger, blame the booze not the drunk who gets behind the wheel ..... your just dead wrong.

People who knowingly act to produce articles that can be represented as original items of value are called counterfeiters

COUNTERFEIT

1. made in imitation so as to be passed off fraudulently or deceptively as genuine; not genuine; forged: counterfeit dollar bills.
2. pretended; unreal: counterfeit grief.
–noun
3. an imitation intended to be passed off fraudulently or deceptively as genuine; forgery.

Thats how I see it, it would be one thing to recreate a car as identical, I can understand that (clone etc.) but when you start restamping parts and recreating documents in a manner that is intended to deceive, which is what you are trying to do, you are just one step away from being a criminal. The sale!

Just my .02

[Hylton]

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You can carbon date the POP in this thread all you want and it will still come out as being almost 40 years old.


how is that?

it is 2 years old.....i dont understand....

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Some fraudsters are using original POP's that were never filled out in 1969. Consequently, all the material of the POP is from 1969. Besides, what seller is going to let you carbon test his docs?

I can see it now - "Okay I'll buy your car as soon as you give me the original paperwork so I can send it off to be tested". Not going to happen.

[Mr70]

"I would think that a Canadian sold car is the only way to go. The VIN can be verified any time through GM Canada. With the market saturated with fake paperwork, I'm glad all my cars are Canadian sold"

I agree with this statement to a point.
George Z. & his team do this hobby a great and beneficial service,but a vehicle documented through there is nothing more then verifying a VIN # & the options it came with...that's it.
Because of that,a Canadian built/sold vehicles' past history & research must be continued on and scrutinized closer,more so then any US sold vehicle,as it should be looked at for any subtle signs of foul play.
Harvested vehicles have been found with transplanted VIN & cowl tags documented through Canada,just to appear authentic to unsuspecting buyers.
Too much premature confidence is being put into a vehicle with Canadian history today,when they really need to START with George,not end with him.

[wagonman]

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...burn the repop paperwork prior to sale...

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that is a good answer!!!!!

[wagonman]

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A.) true..you can blame gm for not using the vins as a way of

determining a cars true pedigree and not keeping records.

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Sounds like Blame the gun not the guy who pulls the trigger, blame the booze not the drunk who gets behind the wheel ..... your just dead wrong.

People who knowingly act to produce articles that can be represented as original items of value are called counterfeiters

COUNTERFEIT

1. made in imitation so as to be passed off fraudulently or deceptively as genuine; not genuine; forged: counterfeit dollar bills.
2. pretended; unreal: counterfeit grief.
–noun
3. an imitation intended to be passed off fraudulently or deceptively as genuine; forgery.

Thats how I see it, it would be one thing to recreate a car as identical, I can understand that (clone etc.) but when you start restamping parts and recreating documents in a manner that is intended to deceive, which is what you are trying to do, you are just one step away from being a criminal. The sale!

Just my .02



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not interested in selling it...but if i did.it will be wothout docs.i will have a notarized signed document stating what the car is.....

anyways...it's not all about this particular car...is it?

[wagonman]

this is a good discussion..

we ll need to talk about this and hash out not only the details......but seeing all the different point of views!

its amazing how different minds think differently....

there are some very valid points coming from some of you....

together,you guys are pretty sharp!!!!!

[budnate]

stop, stop, STOP!...if you want to read a novel on wagonmans Vert and all that goes along with it go to Team Camaro and read on for hours about this vert and the why's and what for's . I wasnt going to say a word hopeing Mr Wagon could control himself, Mr. Wagon there are forums for people that like to debate, going on for days on your car and associated paperwork again will be to painful.

very nice car, and it ends there.

[RamAirDave]

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I can see it now - "Okay I'll buy your car as soon as you give me the original paperwork so I can send it off to be tested". Not going to happen.

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In all fairness, Hylton, you did just ask in a current thread if it was possible to see behind a trim tag. That would involve bending the tag, popping off the rivets, removing the tag, whatever... Any method would likely lead to more questions than answers in the long run. Ask the owner if it's okay to do so, and that is not going to happen either.

[Tommy_Mathison]

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I can see it now - "Okay I'll buy your car as soon as you give me the original paperwork so I can send it off to be tested". Not going to happen.

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In all fairness, Hylton, you did just ask in a current thread if it was possible to see behind a trim tag. That would involve bending the tag, popping off the rivets, removing the tag, whatever... Any method would likely lead to more questions than answers in the long run. Ask the owner if it's okay to do so, and that is not going to happen either.

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Either that or just a photo of the rear of the trim tag? Behind the firewall? Seems a bit easier....