Not LS-6 @Barrett-Jackson Las Vegas 2019

[DW31S]

Originally Posted by rsinor

I'm certainly not defending anything or anyone here. I stand by my statement "Until some auction house steps up and offers a guarantee of the description, it will never get any better."

Having served as an automotive expert for Barrett-Jackson in the past I can assure you many descriptions have been changed, some cars have been removed from the sale and some have even been impounded by the authorities. So I might disagree with your claim. It's also pretty hard to review 170 plus cars in your area of expertise within a few days which is often all you have. I actually had cars show up for the first time in the staging lane and changed the description on the car when it was literally one car away. It's not as easy as hind site makes it sound.

I hear ya Roy, and I'm not in total disagreement with you. I'm friends with one of the experts and I've heard some horror stories. My point was/is that the cars that are inspected and deemed "illegitimate" aren't announced as clones/fake/tribute, or whatever the latest term is when they are offered (the majority of the time). I've heard the word "undocumented" thrown around lately, and in my opinion, that is nothing more than a build that was intended to deceive. IF a car is "genuinely undocumented" there would/could/should be enough tell-tale signs for an expert of the marque to determine the veracity of said vehicle. The fake P-O-P is nothing new. Many years ago I bought a CE 512 block for an LS-6 from a fellow (no names) that had a P-O-P machine in his dining room complete with original GM tape and blanks. This was back in the mid '90s, so like I said, faking docs isn't new. At that time, the going rate for a "Genuine GM" P-O-P was $275. Technically, they WERE Genuine GM, they just weren't ORIGINAL. The whole thing STINKS if you ask me.

[Charley Lillard]

I can attest that Barrett is trying to weed out the fakes. They even have guys that inspect the restomod cars to make sure the description matches what they see. Like saying the car has a LS3 but when checked it simply has a LS1. They are then given the option of changing the description to correctly reflect what is there or pull the car from the auction. Or vins have been swapped so they inform law enforcement.

[the427king]

Heck , the guys that "certify" cars for a living make mistakes,and besides THEY wont even guarantee and stand behind thier certifications in writing ......

[rlw68]

I asked in an earlier post about the original protecto plate this car has been advertised with having. It hasnt been mentioned... have I stepped in something? Maybe it was a dumb question or y'all just dont like me

My understanding is the LS5/LS6 have specific engine codes, like the DZ on my Camaro. These are also on the POP of course, but would it be reissued for a CE replacement? I thought a new POP would only be made if the car was sold during the warranty period. Either way this isnt the "original" one.

[rsinor]

The car delivered new in GA, not CA that would tell me the POP is counterfeit!! Dealer trades were not happening 2200 miles apart in 1970, doubt they do today very often.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

And now another LS6 on eBay with a Fake Build Sheet and was once a former known L34 Race car that used to be owned by another one of my club members.
Can't believe how bad this hobby is getting !!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Chevro...sw1Gc-GKoPgyKE

[PeteLeathersac]

Originally Posted by XXXBlackLs6M22

And now another LS6 on eBay with a Fake Build Sheet and was once a former known L34 Race car that used to be owned by another one of my club members.
Can't believe how bad this hobby is getting !!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Chevro...sw1Gc-GKoPgyKE

LS6 Clone VIN 136370B167139

~ Pete

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[Igosplut]

Originally Posted by XXXBlackLs6M22

And now another LS6 on eBay with a Fake Build Sheet and was once a former known L34 Race car that used to be owned by another one of my club members.
Can't believe how bad this hobby is getting !!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Chevro...sw1Gc-GKoPgyKE

It's coming to the point that there's a need for an LS6 clone registry......

[SS427]

Originally Posted by Igosplut

It's coming to the point that there's a need for an LS6 clone registry......

I have always had a registry on real cars in addition to fakes but LS6 cars only. However, due to liability issues it cannot be published. Also, many are suspect but not confirmed due to such things as restamped drivetrain, paperwork, history, etc.

[ZLP955]

Rob I've searched for years trying to find an example of paperwork issued to an owner on replacement of a damaged engine/block or trans with a warranty CE or CT unit, no luck. Wanted to see if they recorded the CE/CT Stamp number and cross-referenced it to the car's VIN. JohnZ wrote once that he had some documentation for the CE block and one cylinder head replaced in his Z/28 under warranty circa 1970, but the docs were stored in a file and not readily available. The car sold a few years ago, so that door is closed.
My understanding (having viewed limited replacement PoPs) is that they were issued to a second owner within factory warranty period, on payment of a warranty transfer fee - there is wording to this effect on warranty protection plan wallets - or if the original was lost, but replacements did not contain all of the data stamped on the original PoP.