69 Z-28 survivor - Page 6

Jim Ferron · #51 12-15-2007, 05:43 PM

I rarely chime in on this kind of stuff...but....

Survivor is one of the great descriptive words in our hobby. I'm sure there are different degrees to define it. The definition of 'survivor' has special meaning to those of us who actually own one, like myself. Our cars are often a little rough around the edges as compared to a car that has received any degree of a restoration.

To me, you need a whole lot more than matching #'s to qualify a car as a survivor.

It's a word that we in the hobby should fight to keep it's original meaning.

Words like 'classic,' 'Musclecar' and even 'supercar' have been all cheapened over the years..It would be nice if we understood what a 'survivor' car really is and didn't just throw the term around so loosly.

You would have to have an unbelievably wide definition [and wrong headed in my view] of 'survivor' to qualify this Z-28 as one. IMHO

**WILMASBOYL78** · #52 12-15-2007, 06:23 PM

Jim, did you have something like this in mind....???

wilma

ps...Happy Holidays

Jim Ferron · #53 12-15-2007, 06:48 PM

Geez Wilma, I know for a fact that car doen't have the original gas in the tank...air in the tire maybe...but gas in the tank...I'll have to check the guidlines on this one....

**Survivor 69/Z28** · #54 12-15-2007, 07:27 PM

Now that was funny!!

**olredalert** · #55 12-15-2007, 07:41 PM

------Hey!!! Survivor type cars are cool, no matter to what degree. Their coolness comes from what they can teach us about how to restore the cars that need restoration. Thats why Dave B of B/G fame started the original program. He saw (correctly) that people were restoring nice original cars simply because they wanted them perfect for judging purposes. He wanted a way to honor original cars so as to keep original cars around. I think that the various different survivor type judgings (B/G, NCRS, etc.) have done a huge amount for the continued expanding of quality restorations that seem to show up around the country.
------Now as to weather this Camaro is a survivor or not, I hate to play the middle ground but it just depends on your outlook. Hey its still around and hasnt been crushed so it has survived a lot!!!........Bill S

**Dave Rifkin** · #56 12-15-2007, 08:32 PM

Just to add to the definition topic I think there should be a definition, or clarification, to the word "restored" as well. I can't tell you how many modified cars you see listed on Ebay and other sites listed as restored when they are anything but.
Rebuilt, refurbished maybe but, not restored. Just another one of the many over used words in this hobby.

**Salvatore** · #57 12-15-2007, 09:43 PM

Dave, I agree with you on that one. Although I consider my 69 Z as a nice car it really is not restored. Just has a nice paint job and is fixed up pretty nice. Too many cars on ebay are misleading with "restored".

Unreal · #58 12-16-2007, 03:30 AM

Suppose a guy kept his car in a storage garage, and then decided to sell it. If it didn't sell, and he put it back in the garage, would it be considered re-stored?

BARNFOUND YENKO · #59 12-16-2007, 03:38 AM

m22mike · #60 12-16-2007, 08:45 PM

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Wow. I have never seen a chalk mark that brite or clear before either. Also, all the ones that I have seen have alot more glue on the brace. Of course, I have only seen 8-10 in person, so my experiance may be limited.

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Here is another for your inspection X11 04C NOR
More glue

Mike

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