68 Baldwin Motion Camaro going to Barrett

[Pro Stock John]

When does this awesome car go up for auction?

[Oldss]

It is lot 1418. So sometime Saturday evening?

[1903USMCUnertl]

Originally Posted by SuperNovaSS

The ID code 427 were the common replacement in 1968 and are also what were installed in boats of that time frame. I can’t remember with certainty but I believe CE blocks began production in 1969. Also, if the block were out of a production Chevy full-size, it would have a partial VIN stamped on the pad.

Jason

From the Corvette Forum

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...engines-2.html

This is from the CRG

http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml#ReplacementEngines


This is from another site...read the internal GM docs

https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/s...hp?tid/351260/

It sounds like the CE engine program coincides with the 5/50 warranty program.

FWIW...there are apparently 1967 cast blocks with the CE engine prefix, presumably for 1968 warranty.

[cook_dw]

Originally Posted by STEFS

Gentlemen thanks for all the comments.The Camaro has the 3/8, fuel line ,the BBC heater box,and BBC radiator tag. As commented Motion took out the 375 and sold the engines.. The only 427-425 available were for a Impala wagon. The long blocks were probable taken off the line in Tonawanda since they had a abundance of them and sent to Motion . As you can see the date casting on block corresponds to the build date of car. As stated before I have owners history to present. Per the CRG the only cars available with the 4.56 gear was a 350-295 hp and the 396. Even the water pump ,starter, alternator are all dated in 1967 just as the block. Again I have over 100 pictures of this Camaro inside and out . Thanks again for all your comments Joe

You keep saying it has a 3/8" fuel line. ALL V8's in 68 had a single 3/8" fuel line. Has the line been replaced? It looks shiny in the BJ photos so I don't wanna make assumptions. I personally like the car but the way you answer questions are very general and vague. You mention over 100 photos. Are there any you could share or someone could share with the group? Not to draw comparisons but Doug's 69 L78 has had so many photos all over the net and its an amazing car when it was at MCACN. I have only seen a handful of this car and most from the BJ auction and photos of photos on a cracked cell phone. Were there photos taken at the Camaro Nationals? I don't recall seeing any. Not a one in the Camaro Nationals thread that has photos of all the cars inside.

[bergy]

Hey - There's a flash from the past! Ben Lemmer issued one of the "CE" follow-up letters. Ben was one of my old bosses. He was plant manager of the Tonawanda Motor Plant at the time of that correspondence. Promoted to Chevrolet Regional Manager later (Tonawanda Metal Casting Plant reported to him then). Ben was a great guy.

This is the block code stamp in a 1969 Camaro that is believed to be a BM conversion. This whole discussion reminded me of the oddity. At the end of the day - who knows what happened back then?

[70 copo]

I asked multiple managers about how process decisions were arrived at within GM.

The documentation and written direction was the formal process that was followed in the plants all the way through to the dealers.

Failure to do would have resulted in absolute chaos and lost revenue for GM.

[70 copo]

Per the discussion: CE Blocks effective 8-1967

[bergy]

What plat managers from the 60s did you ask? - I may know them.

[70 copo]

Here is one of the managers.

I negotiated and arranged this event with Barrett after his COPD became apparently terminal.

[bergy]

He was a Assembly manager. Did you speak to GM Parts managers? They are the folks who would have knowledge of non CE distribution & use. What would an assembly division manager know about GM parts distribution? This whole discussion has devolved - as usual Phil.

The subject of this thread is the BM Camaro. Nobody can say for sure when or how that block got into the car. I just pointed out that I have seen that anomaly once before. You, of course, speak with certainty. The guy who that letter was addressed to was my boss Phil - I don’t need call an assembly manager. I just hate to see you saying with certainty - basically calling the owner of the car a liar.

Plus. the manager that you checked with actually died 8 years ago.

I’m done with this thread.