Camaro's at Carlise

[bkhpah]

Is anyone attending Camaros at Carlise at the end of July? I will be there Judging the Legends class. I look forward to the event. I will be taking the Yenko Camaro.

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Brian:
I'll be there on Friday, 1st to the swap meet for parts then to the Camaro show. I hope to see some rare stuff, and your D-Yellow Yenko.
Marlin

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A '69 Cortez Silver/Blue Std. interior COPO Camaro will be at this show, I saw this past Sunday at Super Chevy-Maple Grove. The owner is curious about the judging criteria and methods at this show. (Super Chevy judged as normal.)

[bkhpah]

I look forward in seeing the COPO Camaro at Carlise, You may also want to be on the lookout for a Yellow Yenko clone car that shows up on the East coast shows. His attitude is much like the L/88 Yenko Chevelle guy. He will tell you that it is real and that his is worth more that yours, or that you have the "garden variety" Yenko and that his is the real car. Whatever... The car is clearly wrong with a build date at least one month earlier that any documented example.
Once again I hear a groan coming from the hardcore restoration crowd at a Super Chevy event. This has been the attitude at SC events for years. They are more concerned about what cars are wearing their sponsor's parts than correctness and quality of restoration. There has been a serious drop off in high end restoration cars at SC and most of the cars that do show up do not return. That has been my experience with that show over the years. Anyone see things different about that show?
BKH

[copo69]

Boy, you guys hit the nail on the head concerning the Super Chevy events. These things have been on a downhill slide for several years. It's a shame we Chevy people don't have an big event like the Mopar Nationals that caters to all. Everybody seems welcome, from the hardcore restos to the racers and makes for a nice show. I think the magazine as well as the Super Chevy shows neglects the resto crowd probably due the sponsor/money thing. Also, the number of SCS events looks to be aimed at smaller regional events (more opportunity to sell SoftSeal, LOL). A few years ago I thought it was becoming a drag race but that's went to crap, too. I guess it gives the Gustin's a venue to run those damn jet cars and make a buck. One year at Indy we got droplets of JP4 fuel on our car... hard to clean off.

[Chevy454]

All of the above reasons are kind of why dad started the sYc and the Supercar Reunion. Soon after he finished his Yenko Camaro, we attended a Super Chevy show in Memphis, and needless to say, dad was a little "disgusted". I assumed that this was where these AWESOME cars congregated, and that Super Chevy would surely cater to these "super chevys"...oh was I wrong! It seems that Super Chevy is just mainly interested in the number of entrants. It has turned into a mini "SEMA" show, catering to cars with TONS of aftermarket pieces. But, amazingly, there is usually one or two rare cars at each event (like the '68 Yenko that was mentioned in another thread). Thus, the Supercar Reunion was created, which goes in almost an entirely OPPOSITE direction...catering to the ultra-rare cars first, and not worrying about numbers.

[bkhpah]

A few years ago we thought it would be a great time to go to SC Indy. We took along a fresh 69 Rally Green Yenko Camaro and a new 69 Daytona Yellow COPO to the event. We are not trophy hounds and do not really care about that side of the hobby, but if you bring a good car to one of these things you sometimes feel that it would be nice to be recognized. Anyway the Super Chevy staff never even came over to judge the cars Friday untill one of the owners had made a comment that we had been snubbed and asked an offical why his car had not been judged. He told us that we did not check off any of the sponsors products used during the restoration and that we were not elegible for any sponsor awards. Since the owners of these cars spent a ton of money to by authentic GM parts we were being ignored by the SC staffers. Amazing! The cars were without a doubt among the very best restored cars there and we were treated like we brought a Dodge. The only great thing about the weekend was the joy that the thousands af happy onlookers had in seeing up close these rare factory Camaro's. We never really had a shot at any awards so we just enjoyed the weekend and made an early exit Sunday before 11 AM. In closing the Roger Gustin era of SC events are among the worst we had ever attended. Bring a tubbed car or a Summit catalog built car and you will do just fine. And I have no argument over those cars as I am an enthusiast as much as the next guy, but my likes steer more toward the resto cars. We have attended and won some nice awards over the years, but the SC shows have made a great diservice to the resto boys. Instead of the show being the showcase for the rarest of the rare, most owners will not attend. I don't receive the mag anymore and do not even consider the dates for the show. I used to think it was great, but it is just a joke now. For years I worked on my firts Yenko to get it ready to show at an SC event and the judge never even looked under the car. He said we don't judge below the rockers Crazy or lazy, I'm not sure. Gustin also told us that he could not AFFORD to have qualified judges show up and judge the top end restored cars, Give me a break. It costs a big chunk of change to park your car on their field for a day. I have been to Maple Grove, Norwalk, Indy, Columbus, and Texas SC events in the past and they have all been the same. Gustin should be ashamed, go race your jet car, wooppee...... GO SUPER CAR REUNION!
BKH

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Brian:
That is the absolute truth regarding the priorities of the SC event staff, if you don't have Trim Parts and Soft Seal all over your car then they turn away. It is quite ironic that at a Super CHEVY Show, you get snubbed for using NOS CHEVY parts on your restored car!! They should call the event the 'Roger Gustin Money Show'.

If I take my car there when I'm done the restoration, it will be to see friends and the occasional nice restored car. Not for knowledgeable judging. Probably the best car at the show was McNeish's '67 RS Z28, it is a nice car with a lot of options. The weather was good too!!
Marlin

[Bad Boy]

I've got to agree with each one of you who stated that the Super Chevy shows pretty much bite the dust. My dad and I own the yellow Berger COPO, and we took it to the SC event in Dallas this year, and I must say that I was diasapointed. I don't really care about winning trophies, but I would like these supposed "chevy enthusiasts" to appreciate the amount of effort that goes into restoring, owning, and keeping alive the cars that started this craze of hi-po hotrods. Everybody has their own taste in cars, and I have seen some pretty awesome modified cars, but that is no reason to overlook what we all enjoy. I guess we don't buy enough from SC sponsors to make us worth their while.

[Peter]

They won't judge your cars because you guys do restorations right and use GM parts where ever possible rather than the repro parts made by the sponsors. If they judged your cars then you would win and it would look bad for their buisness. I have bought a couple repro parts from the sponsors mentioned and they all have been bad from chrome to rubber. Can't understand how the original part can last thirty years but the repro rubber can only last a few months on a car that is garaged and doesn't see the weather that the original part endured, and I live in MA. Some chrome is good but the metal underneath is wavy and cheap (one of my Trim Part door handles) They wouldn't exchange it because it wasn't considered defective enough. The original is back on. Paint flakes off emblems. Technology has come a long way in thirty years but it seems the repro companies use the technology to make parts as cheap as possible to make as much money as possible rather than make a decent part that will last. I would definately pay more for a better quality product. Sorry to get off the subject here but I had to vent, its very frustrating. How can you really judge a car restored using as much GM parts as possible against a car thats using as much repro parts as possible anyway? There isn't much repro that looks or fits like original. Not that the GM parts are all they are cracked up to be but at least its GM. Some repro may last on a show car but the real test comes when you install the parts on a daily driver that see's all kind of weather like the original cars did thirty years ago. I have seen many problems.