Aircraft pics

[Norm reynolds]

F-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXQV...ed&search=
these things must be a blast

here is more
http://www.jetsrc.com/modelos/modelos_en.htm

[Dog427435]

You are a South African bush pilot working for Blue Sky Aviation.
You fly in some critical medical supplies, enjoy a quick lunch at the hospital.

It's a stifling 112 degrees in the shade and you're eager to get back up to the cool, high blue yonder.

On the way back to your plane, you discover that the only bit of shade within 1 mile has become very popular . . You start calculating the distance to the plane door and wonder . . .



"Do I feel lucky today?"
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[nuch_ss396]

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F-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXQV...ed&search=
these things must be a blast

here is more
http://www.jetsrc.com/modelos/modelos_en.htm

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Norm,

Nice link to some awesome models. I watched the video of
the RC planes that crashed. Man, some of those guys were
really shaken-up at the loss of their aircraft. I guess
it would be much like having your restored COPO go up in
flames

Steve

[Norm reynolds]

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Nice link to some awesome models. I watched the video of
the RC planes that crashed. Man, some of those guys were
really shaken-up at the loss of their aircraft. I guess
it would be much like having your restored COPO go up in
flames


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Yes I know what you mean . I watch many video's for hours
The sound that the jet RC's make sounds like the real ones
You have to have a good skill with them ME I crash them just trying to land the thing

[PeteLeathersac]

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Gentlemen!

A moment of silence for a terrible tragedy today.

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I heard the terrible news on the weekend too...our thoughts and prayers to the families and friends..

Same also to the loved ones of the young Canadian Snowbird pilot who went down in May..

It's been a bad year so far for the US and Canadian Airshow groups also the Warbird community...lets hope there's no more..

Although not fighting an enemy when they went down, these pilots where none the less giving to others while doing what they loved...Godspeed and tailwinds brave lads..


~ Pete

[nuch_ss396]

Well said - Pete

[427TJ]

I have a friend who flies Mustangs and he says this kind of thing is why he does not perform formation landings.

[SS427]

Tragic news and the second bad news of the day.

Annie and I went to Capital Airport today to visit a B-17, B-24 and B-25 that were staying there for a few days and called my Warbird restorer/brother to let him hear the B-24 firing up (I will post pictures later) At that time he informed me of this tragidy. As it turned out I knew both pilots, Gerry Beck flying Precious Metal II and Bob Odegaards's son Casey flying Dazzling Donna. Casey survived but Gerry was killed upon impact. Anyone who knows either of these gentleman know what a tragic loss to the Warbird community that Gerry's death will bring as he was a huge asset to the P-51 family. Not a good day today.

[nuch_ss396]

Rick,

Does anyone know what happened to cause this crash?
Hard to believe a landing could go so badly.

Steve

[427TJ]

This is only speculation based on watching a video of the mishap.

The lead Mustang, a heavier D-model, landed on-speed and began to decelerate immediately. The wingman, a lighter A-model, was high on the approach and at the last few seconds lowered the nose to land in formation. In lowering the nose, the wingman P-51A accelerated and began to overtake the leader. The leader, with a larger four-blade prop that makes more drag in idle than the A's smaller 3-blade prop, was already decelerating at a faster rate and the A rapidly overtook the D. The A pilot may have kept his power in a split-second longer and that would have exacerbated his developing overtake problem. By the time the wingman A-model realized his overtake problem, as well as an overlap problem between his right wing and the tail of lead, it was too late to avoid collision. Note also that it appears that the wingman may have never actually touched-down fully--his airplane was flying, or at least very light on the wheels, throughout the mishap and thus the wings were still making lift, allowing the rolling of the wings during impact. The wingman's right wing impacted lead's tail, forcing the wingman's left (opposite) wing to move forward and therefore accelerate and therefore make more lift and fly upward. Up flew the A's left wing, inducing a right-roll. As the A rolled its wings toward vertical, the pilot did not input full left rudder. Note: An airplane's rudder is the last control surface to be effective in a stall or as speed decreases. The ailerons (on the wings) lose effectiveness first, then the elevators (horizontal across the tail), then the rudder is last to lose effectiveness. Full left rudder might have kept the tail down as the wings went vertical and the A-model might have stayed right-side up and merely cartwheeled and/or spun on its belly shearing-off the landing gear, etc. Unfortunately, the situation developed so fast that the pilot in the A seems to not have been able to jam in full left rudder to keep the A right-side up. The rest is obvious from the photos and from video.

Again, my friend, an experienced military and WWII fighter operator, shuddered as he watched the video of this accident. Warbird fighter pilots RARELY perform formation landings, especially in dissimilar types such as a P-51D/P-51A pairing with differing weights, differing prop drag, and thus differing rates of deceleration. Another mistake was that lead touched-down first. He thus immediately decelerated as the wingman, still airborne, dove to land and thus accelerated. Watch the Blue Angels or Snowbirds perform their formation landings and you will see that the following aircraft always lands first and the leader is the last to touch down. That way, the formation decelerates from the rear and not from the front, as we see in the Oshkosh mishap.

This is not intended to unfairly criticize a dead pilot. Such accidents can happen to anyone and they often do. Any smart pilot who hears about a crash shudders and realizes but for the grace of God...