Whereabouts of Grumpy Jenkin's Camaro Toy IV

[Pro Stock John]

I'm double posting because I wrote a reply to you on FB, but I lean towards the white car because the rear tire opening is radiused all the way around on the white car and also the green car. The orange car might have the lower ends trimmed but not the upper part.

Green car if IV has rear sheetmetal opened up to run what could be 29.5s or even 30" slicks.

So if Richie's comments are solid, he is saying the last known color of IV was black. It's also generally thought that IV ran 32x14s in the early 80s (aka lil bubbas a knickname for those tires) and the rear metal might have been trimmed even more.

[Pro Stock John]

So the way my mind works, I like to figure out if any events triggered decisions made by people at that time. I don't like to rely on heavy speculation if there is info out there that can indicate what likely transpired.

So case in point, Rufus Boyd is reported to have sold the car in 1973. Most of us know he had legal issues at one point and spent time in the clink.

I was trying to work the timeline, and it lines up. He was arrested in 1973:
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/12/21/a...profit-of.html

He was sentenced in 1976: https://www.nytimes.com/1976/06/18/a...an-brings.html

So it's fair to say that his issues influenced the sale of many if not all of his cars. I don't think it's aggressive speculation that the cars were sold to immediate people in his network, so one research point would be if Frank did buy the car, or Carmen did, or if it was some sort of partnership. Enough time has passed that I imagine Carmen would be comfortable to connect some of the dots. Wish I could talk to him, but I'd be some random guy from Chicago calling him.

Same is true for Joe Algieri, he was cordial but he gets asked about the car a few times a month and I think that would sometimes be annoying.

I asked Richie if he could chat and provide more info on his comment he made about the car being black, an outlaw and so forth.

I do know per a call I had today the vin of the car is known to a few people and one of them could verify it.

[Carleen]

If you read the text in this article you will found out that the Green Camaro and Toy IV is not the same Camaro

[Pro Stock John]

And there is this:

[Pro Stock John]

Here is my working notes and timeline.

TIMELINE:
So the timeline I'm tracking the most, though I'm happy to modify it if facts and/or people who were actually involved share info.

-Bill Jenkins purchases IV, a butternut yellow L89 in 1967/1968. He races IV until the middle to end of 1970, and then sells it to Brooklyn Heavy (Rufus Boyd). At that point in time the car has a 3 pt bar.

-Heavy campaigns the car and Carmen Rotonda drives it at least some of the time. Car is then sold in 1973 to Carmen and/or Frank Carnisacola, there is some sort of relationship there. Some say Rotonda's speed shop becam F&Js.

-Car is sold to Bob Veniero in 1974.

-Bob sells the car to Joe Algieri. It's said that Joe has the chassis work done by SRD (but I've also heard Bill Hayes of AutoWeld). Car gets backhalfed and tubbed and there are pics of the car running 15x32s out back. I've also heard the car around this time recieved a Dana 60. Joe said he swapped the nose off the car and changed it to standard grille. He's said on occasion he sold the nose and one person said he was told he kept it. At this point the car has fiberglass fenders.It's said that Heavy looked at the car and said it was IV. Since Heavy may have been incarcerated from 1973 (unless he was out on bail) I wonder when he would have seen the car. He was officially sentenced in 1976 so we can assume he started his sentence then. So the story about Heavy verifying the car feels like hearsay for me at this point. (feel free to show me otherwise).

-Joe sells the car as a roller in 1980 to someone in Kentucky. Joe delivers the car and it's an 18 hour drive. The buy 's location had a lot of escavating equipment.

-The trail goes cold at this point.

-The car is rumored to have been painted black sometime after 1980. Was reportedly owned by a guy called Wild Bill who ran it in a "Super Shifters" club. Car was named the most dangerous car in the class because of how hacked up it was.

-At some point after 1980 but before his passing Bill supposedly looked at the car in person and verified it was IV. This is supposed to have happened in the Southeast. Bill said the car was too hacked up to restore. There is another version of this story that the car was getting pro streeted and he saw it in NJ. That latter theory seems like hearsay to me at this point.

-I'm told from a credible contact the car still exists as is. I have followed up with the contact info I have. We'll see what happens. In one of my calls today one of the people, also extremely credible says he has the VIN number of the car.

I'm just in it for fun of it, feel free to help or if you have additional info and want to keep it private shoot me a message. A few folks have graciously shared info with me.

[Pro Stock John]

Five period pictures IV with Bill in the pictures, the car does not have an RS front valance:

[Pro Stock John]

Earliest pic of IV I've found so far, non-RS valance.

[427.060]

Not sure about his old one but here is the new one.

[Pro Stock John]

Love it..

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Five period pictures IV with Bill in the pictures, the car does not have an RS front valance:

This is distinctive: