This should make you all Angry!

[Damien]

Perhaps they have multiple accounts? I have bought off them in very recent history and they have a different user name to the one quoted here and have almost 200,000 in feedback, so it's not a recent thing.

[Pusher_Man]

Originally Posted by MYSTERYCHEVELLE

For every person on this site who MIGHT know how to identify a REAL piece of authentic documentation. Build sheet. POP. Invoices. Window Stickers. There's thousands out there who have no clue!! So yes, do your homework but just as important., the word has to spread for people to do that homework. I often have guys who will say, I won't buy a car without documentation!!! Rah Rah Rah. ... even if it's numbers matching.... and they seem to lose the concept that EVERYTHING is Faked now days!! Aged Paperwork too. So, personally I stress, that authenticity of a car takes into consideration a whole bunch more than just verifying a stamping is original or that the car has documentation. It's not enough to just accept it as legit, you have to verify all of it and know the source of the verification is a leader in the hobby, not just BIG BLOCK RALPH who replies " looks good to me" I have guys that seem to do more homework on the new Flat Screen TV they are buying than the Much more expensive collector car.

Ok. Back to your regularly scheduled programming

Mike, you’re exactly right. When new guys like me (a few years ago) come into the hobby, there’s a lack of knowledge about who you can rely on, trust, etc. I got messed over bad by a self proclaimed Shelby “expert” and later had the inner Shelby circle day that I should have just had this guy or that guy do the inspection for me...yeah, well that’s easy to say when you actually KNOW all that!

[Burd]

We shouldn’t be building fake cars, tributes, recreations, clones, fakes. Now the tv shows are building them. It’s not the papers we need to get upset about, it’s the cars.

[RST]

Originally Posted by Burd

We shouldn’t be building fake cars, tributes, recreations, clones, fakes. Now the tv shows are building them. It’s not the papers we need to get upset about, it’s the cars.

While I understand how you feel …. This may be taking it a bit far. Some people can’t afford an original car and a tribute or clone is what they can and still be able to enjoy the look of the car then always wanted …. Like a GT 350 Mustang etc. I think tribute cars and or clones …. Although I don’t care for them, honor the original cars and if someone is not intentionally trying to “Fake” a car for profit, etc, its fine to me.

[SS427]

Good point. A tribute car is one thing and sometimes neat to see when you might seldom otherwise get to see a real one. However, a car that uses tons of NOS parts, restamped drivetrain and reproduction paperwork (and not advertised or labeled as such) and disguised to look like the real thing is a whole other game. I do lots of inspections around the country every year on LS6's and really hate when I spend a clients money only to have call the seller on the table regarding his "tribute LS6" that he forgot to mention. They are all very good at playing dumb.

[Burd]

so if you can’t afford it make a fake one. Hmmm. Doesn’t sound rite.
Here’s the prob. I know a guy who made a 25th Anniversary fake TA. He sold it as a fake, but the new owner knows it’s a fake but isn’t saying that in his add, he’s selling it now. I walk by fake cars at the shows. A lot don’t know the Cobra kit is a fake, they stand and look at it likes it’s amazing. A doosh on Woodward had authentic plates on a Fauxbra, ( cobra kit car) I asked if it was real, his wife said feels real.

[RST]

Originally Posted by SS427

Good point. A tribute car is one thing and sometimes neat to see when you might seldom otherwise get to see a real one. However, a car that uses tons of NOS parts, restamped drivetrain and reproduction paperwork (and not advertised or labeled as such) and disguised to look like the real thing is a whole other game. I do lots of inspections around the country every year on LS6's and really hate when I spend a clients money only to have call the seller on the table regarding his "tribute LS6" that he forgot to mention. They are all very good at playing dumb.

Totally agree 100%

[1971ls6]

I built mine for pure Stock and a ZL1 is the second best choice to be in the front of the pack.

Plus I can beat it to death and not worry about it. I have a window sticker and a time slip at the cruises, people love to see how expensive they were.

I feel if you are going to make a cloan, it needs to be correct down to the details, the orange plug wires, the TI box in the front header panel, just to name a few, this comes from my days in the Ncrs world. Correct bolts also make a difference, but the most important thing is to put the dam cowl seal on correctly and no caution sticker

[Burd]

At least with Pontiac you can phs a car for a high price, lol. Others you can’t find and paper trail on.
I recently saw a 77 T\A with Fisher T tops an a consignment place. I asked the owner if it was a PT car lol. He said why? I said, in 1978 fisher t tops finally came out, not 77. The owner failed to list it was a re- roof. Lmao
I worked with a goof that did a resto on a 65 Nova. He didn’t know it wasnt a factory rag top till 1/2 way through. He was ordering the seat covers, we just found the correct seats at the fairground swap, the guy at year one said they didn’t make a rag top in 65. lucky for him they did make a rag top earlier. But he had to finish the cloning butchery or whatever you call it, the recreation, Lol
People don’t tell, that’s the prob. It’s not the $20 pc of no’s lit that fakes it, it’s the fake car.

[Astock]

PHS is a deal. I would pay twice the price.