right to repair. Things getting sticky.

**Lynn** · #1 02-08-2022, 07:54 PM

I guess as cars get more complex, the situation will get worse.

https://www.wired.com/story/fight-ri...=pocket-newtab

**Crush** · #2 02-08-2022, 09:15 PM

That’s unbelievable!

**Too Many Projects** · #3 02-08-2022, 10:25 PM

For now, don't buy a car in MA. The bigger picture is the info, including personal, being collected and SOLD without our permission. This shit is everywhere in our society now and needs to be stopped, not expanded.

**Billohio** · #4 02-09-2022, 12:30 AM

There are on going problems with John Deere. You have to have a laptop with their software to see what the problem is. It is amazing how well it works but we cant fix anything other than simple stuff. Makes you have to wait for a technician, pay for a service call and their hourly rate is getting horrible. Will be interesting how this plays out

muscle_collector · #5 02-10-2022, 02:19 AM

unless they disclosed it before selling the car, a person could take the car back for the items not working and after (3 times for the same problem in oklahoma) they could file the lemon law and force them to buy it back.

dustinm · #6 02-10-2022, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Billohio

There are on going problems with John Deere. You have to have a laptop with their software to see what the problem is. It is amazing how well it works but we cant fix anything other than simple stuff. Makes you have to wait for a technician, pay for a service call and their hourly rate is getting horrible. Will be interesting how this plays out

Fiat and JD won that case 4-6 years ago against the independents. Used to be you could buy a highjacked JD Service Advisor system from China but I am sure by now JD has corrected the software to prevent that loop also.

Stihl · #7 02-17-2022, 04:22 AM

I work in the outdoor power equipment industry. Currently, carbs are considered part of the emissions systems. A manufacturer is not allowed to sell specialty tools to adjust carbs over the counter because someone could adjust them out of emission compliance. We also have computer controls on some units that control air/fuel ratios and engine timing. These are monitored and adjusted with a software package. Manufacturers and factory authorized techs are liable for maintaining emission compliance on units.. It seems that Right To Repair laws contradict EPA laws regarding tampering with emission systems if access to emission compliance is made available beyond authorized dealerships.

**John Brown** · #8 02-17-2022, 05:39 AM

Are those really EPA laws, or just EPA regulations?

Stihl · #9 02-23-2022, 02:05 AM

Regulations enforced with potential $36,500 fines to manufacturers or dealerships proven to be in violation.

**67since67** · #10 02-23-2022, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billohio

There are on going problems with John Deere. You have to have a laptop with their software to see what the problem is. It is amazing how well it works but we cant fix anything other than simple stuff. Makes you have to wait for a technician, pay for a service call and their hourly rate is getting horrible. Will be interesting how this plays out

Twenty, thirty, forty year old tractors have been escalating in value at levels similar to our muscle cars.

In my area the smaller family farmers, under a couple thousand acres, have been driving up the auction prices of clean low hour pre-computerized tractors and combines that they can service and repair themselves, in the field if necessary.

And yet, the Deere facilities in my town keep building the largest Deere 8R and 9R as fast as supply chains allow.

Bill W

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