Whereabouts of Grumpy Jenkin's Camaro Toy IV

[EZ Nova]

Originally Posted by Friend of Bill's

Dale's car is the real car. Numerous ways to prove it. Stories about other cars are incorrect.
A lot of early pro stock cars were dipped or had dipped parts. I don't remember anybody checking metal thickness.

I will take "WRONG STATEMENT" $500 please!

Even Grumpy when alive looked at the car and REFUSED the claim of it being his Toy IV.

END OF THAT DISCUSSION.

[Pro Stock John]

Grumpy was interviewed by Doug Boyce for the book, 1968 butternut yellow, L89. Joe Carella even shared a picture that shows that IV had a '68 trim tag. I've got a contact who was close to Bill who has the vin, and this guy is extremely credible.

I'm no expert on the early years of Pro Stock but I think you could not run a '67 in 1970 but maybe one of you guys knows more about it.

There is nothing to discuss about IV being a '67.

[bracketracer-78]

Originally Posted by Friend of Bill's

Dale's car is the real car. Numerous ways to prove it. Stories about other cars are incorrect.
A lot of early pro stock cars were dipped or had dipped parts. I don't remember anybody checking metal thickness.

I would like to see the proof. Several pictures in this thread proves that the Pittsburgh car is a fake. Just try to find the "Penske" installed roll cage. It seems the A pillar bars are missing in all the posted pictures. I know there is pictures floating around on the web that show the drivers side door open with the grump in the car and no "Penske' cage and you can see the butternut yellow paint is as clear as day.

[Pro Stock John]

Look at the side bar when Joe Algierie owned IV in 1980, look at how high it was. Saying that IV retained it's roll bar from the early 70's is not accurate. I'm not expert on the evolution of roll bars from 1968 to 1979, but it got changed to keep running the speeds it was running in the 70s.

[resto4u]

Jon Mello, Is dales car one of the first 25 Z28's as the article says?

[1967Z28]

Originally Posted by resto4u

Jon Mello, Is dales car one of the first 25 Z28's as the article says?

No Roger, it was built a week before the first '67 Zs. Dale's car has 2LG 3K on the cowl tag and that's it for the option codes.

[Too Many Projects]

Originally Posted by 1967Z28

No Roger, it was built a week before the first '67 Zs. Dale's car has 2LG 3K on the cowl tag and that's it for the option codes.

And that, right there, tells everyone it is a 1967 car, since the '68 tags had none of that info. The under hood pics of IV clearly include the trim tag that is the 1968 design.

[bracketracer-78]

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[jerry67]

For even more proof look at the following pics, in the first one you can see the 68 dash pad and inner door panel, you couldn't install that over the metal top of a 67 door, even the weatherstrip is 68 you can tell by the top of it, second pic is a 67 weatherstrip
In the next two pics you see, I assume Grumpy reaching into the back of the car, you can see the top of the astro vent by his knee, then a pic clearly showing the car has the astro vent even the rear windlass looks to be 68 because this is a 68 camaro
The last pic is Dales car it has an early style 67 only quarter, referred to as the telephone receiver style, that's most likely the original quarter and would never have had an astro vent installed it wouldn't even fit flush in that quarter