You Can't Make This Stuff Up!

[Lee Stewart]

[Lee Stewart]

[Lee Stewart]

[Lee Stewart]

[Lee Stewart]

I had the track done before I had a title. I wanted something catchy like "Sloopy" or "Bony Maroney," but everything sounded so stupid. So Ritchie Cordell and I were writing it in New York City, and we were about to throw in the towel when I went out onto the terrace, looked up and saw the Mutual of New York building (which has its initials illuminated in red at its top).

[Lee Stewart]

Fakes, frauds and forgeries: Illegality in the collector-car market

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market...or-car-market/

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

The "elusive" Keith Seymore; car is owned by Joe Bortz.

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[Lynn]

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Fakes, frauds and forgeries: Illegality in the collector-car market

https://www.hagerty.com/media/market...or-car-market/

Great article. It focuses mostly on the $3.5 million, $30 million and such cars.

I would guess that the rank and file $50k to $200k muscle cars are where the bulk of the fraud is. After all, you don’t have to be a former Porsche race car builder to buy a fake trim tag from TrimTags.com and turn that plain jane 69 Camaro into a Z or a COPO. Any Bubba can do it.

[William]

Originally Posted by Lynn

After all, you don’t have to be a former Porsche race car builder to buy a fake trim tag from TrimTags.com and turn that plain jane 69 Camaro into a Z or a COPO. Any Bubba can do it.

I'm pleased to challenge that. It would be time consuming and expensive to build a Z/28 or COPO from a generic 1969 Camaro that might fool even an average guy these days. Bubba would need to have an incredible amount of knowledge to pull that off. Most of them know enough to be dangerous but given some time the truth will come out. Happened a few weeks ago on BAT; after a few days of comments BAT removed 'Z/28' from an ad.

The CRG site and JM's books provide a deep body of knowledge that anyone seriously interested in a 1st Gen Camaro performance car should study prior to spending the money. While it can be difficult to examine a car at auction, the docket is posted well in advance. Most now list the VIN; 40% of '69s at auction have been previously auctioned. The first place to start is a Google search on the VIN. If the VIN has been posted anywhere, it should come up. Start asking about the car on the sites, someone may know something about it.

Never buy any '60s Muscle Car for serious money on your own. Do your homework and get other eyes on it.

[Lynn]

And how many of them were bought already faked?
Over half the cars that get called out shock the owners. The owner didn't do his due diligence, and got burned.
Didn't say they were doing it well.