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Old 12-10-2020, 03:59 AM
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Default '61 Biscayne #s 409/4-sp, 14,000 Miles

Boy is this sweet - is anyone here familiar with the car and whether it's legit?

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Paging Verne Frantz!!!

From the auction wording..." It is a real survivor..." Well, except for the replaced engine and the complete repaint....
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The car brings up more questions than answers. The motor was replaced and it's not a '61 409. And I can't read the other numbers on the deck. Wrong tach and wrong washer reservoir for a 1-spd wiper. A cowl tag photo would help a little. By the VIN I'd say it's a 6D or 7A car. It would need an eyes-on exam.
The trans would be unique if it was an original '61 409 car.
That's all I can offer on it for now.

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Never mind. I found the cowl tag in the full size photos. It was originally a small block car.

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The car brings up more questions than answers. The motor was replaced and it's not a '61 409. And I can't read the other numbers on the deck. Wrong tach and wrong washer reservoir for a 1-spd wiper. A cowl tag photo would help a little. By the VIN I'd say it's a 6D or 7A car. It would need an eyes-on exam.
The trans would be unique if it was an original '61 409 car.
That's all I can offer on it for now.

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Never mind. I found the cowl tag in the full size photos. It was originally a small block car.

“That’s all i can offer now....”. The sage one has spoken!!!
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The car brings up more questions than answers. The motor was replaced and it's not a '61 409. And I can't read the other numbers on the deck. Wrong tach and wrong washer reservoir for a 1-spd wiper. A cowl tag photo would help a little. By the VIN I'd say it's a 6D or 7A car. It would need an eyes-on exam.
The trans would be unique if it was an original '61 409 car.
That's all I can offer on it for now.

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Never mind. I found the cowl tag in the full size photos. It was originally a small block car.

WOW, with that knowledge wouldn't this tag far surpass "a little fast and loose" by a mile ? Seems like outright fraud, especially with the price. Of course, if the buyer finds out all this after the sale, ebay will side with the seller and stand behind their excuse of not knowing any better and they described it "to the best of their ability"... ebays "buyer protection plan" means they protect the seller from screwed over and cheated buyers...



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WOW, with that knowledge wouldn't this tag far surpass "a little fast and loose" by a mile ? Seems like outright fraud, especially with the price. Of course, if the buyer finds out all this after the sale, ebay will side with the seller and stand behind their excuse of not knowing any better and they described it "to the best of their ability"... ebays "buyer protection plan" means they protect the seller from screwed over and cheated buyers...




Unfortunately, these things happen too often and there just isn't really a good way to alert potential buyers of the fraud. Threads like these on this site may be the only way to get the word out, but potential buyers would need to google the VIN to find it. I wonder how many do????


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Just so people are aware, I tried a google search on the VIN of this car and this thread does not come up. Other than the current sellers ad, a Hemmings listing and ebay listing, all that came up was a report from a 2005 auction where it sold for $30K.
So the awareness to people by this means doesn't seem to be working as hoped.



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It works when you type it into the Yenko.net search box,which is the only reason I type a vehicles VIN into a topic.
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