69 Norwood VIN stampings

[Unreal]

Silence speaks volumes.

[6667ss138]

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthre...=167013&page=3

March rear axle in that thread. And looking for March engine stampings. Not saying one has anything to do with the other. Could just be a coincidence.

[jeremy clark]

"72nova" is a coworker of mine. We don't work Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays -hence the "silence". I had asked him to join this site and instructed him to politely ask for examples of partial VINs from 03D Norwood blocks. I've only ever posted about one car on here and if I were to suddenly start asking about partial VINs on March Norwood blocks, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who could put two and two together why I was asking. I feel It would be unethical -that I would be doing the car and it's owner a disservice- to cause it's authenticity to come under scrutiny in a public venue such as this. But alas, the car's owner doesn't care what anyone thinks -so here goes...The reason I am looking for examples on partial VINs is because the partial VIN on the block has come into question. The font style of the stamping isn't "known" to certain people in the community. There seems to be a lot of people in this hobby that seem to think that they "know" everything no matter how obvious it is that they don't. The font style IS however, "known" to the man who was hired to authenticate this car and it has been "known" to him for many years. I will not mention his name out of respect for his privacy and because I don't wish to bring him into this shit-show. I will say only that he is extremely knowledgeable and his reputation is impeccable. So far we have at least 4 examples of this VIN stamping font from cars assembled in the same time frame. Contrary to what was so rudely suggested, I searched this site for almost 3 hours and was only able to come up with one example. I didn't feel that I could ask straight out what I was looking for, but had hoped that the members of this site would be kind enough to help a guy out.
If I were going to "do a forgery" I wouldn't be on here asking for info on how to go about it. I'd have done it in a "known" font and it would be done "textbook" for everyone who parrots and regurgitates the "known" to eat up. This car was wrecked in '77 and has sat untouched ever since. It's entire history is known. All of the previous owners are still around. The disassembly process was well documented...literally thousands of photos and plenty of witnesses. I'm not "forging" anything. The car is legit, it's "born with" engine is legit and it will be proven so.

Thank you to those of you who were helpful.

[Mr70]

Originally Posted by jeremy clark

"72nova" is a coworker of mine. We don't work Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays -hence the "silence". I had asked him to join this site and instructed him to politely ask for examples of partial VINs from 03D Norwood blocks. I've only ever posted about one car on here and if I were to suddenly start asking about partial VINs on March Norwood blocks, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who could put two and two together why I was asking. I feel It would be unethical -that I would be doing the car and it's owner a disservice- to cause it's authenticity to come under scrutiny in a public venue such as this. But alas, the car's owner doesn't care what anyone thinks -so here goes...The reason I am looking for examples on partial VINs is because the partial VIN on the block has come into question. The font style of the stamping isn't "known" to certain people in the community. There seems to be a lot of people in this hobby that seem to think that they "know" everything no matter how obvious it is that they don't. The font style IS however, "known" to the man who was hired to authenticate this car and it has been "known" to him for many years. I will not mention his name out of respect for his privacy and because I don't wish to bring him into this shit-show. I will say only that he is extremely knowledgeable and his reputation is impeccable. So far we have at least 4 examples of this VIN stamping font from cars assembled in the same time frame. Contrary to what was so rudely suggested, I searched this site for almost 3 hours and was only able to come up with one example. I didn't feel that I could ask straight out what I was looking for, but had hoped that the members of this site would be kind enough to help a guy out.
If I were going to "do a forgery" I wouldn't be on here asking for info on how to go about it. I'd have done it in a "known" font and it would be done "textbook" for everyone who parrots and regurgitates the "known" to eat up. This car was wrecked in '77 and has sat untouched ever since. It's entire history is known. All of the previous owners are still around. The disassembly process was well documented...literally thousands of photos and plenty of witnesses. I'm not "forging" anything. The car is legit, it's "born with" engine is legit and it will be proven so.

Thank you to those of you who were helpful.

You had 3 days to think of an excuse,and this is what you come up with?
BTW~You sure like to use quotation marks 72Nova,I mean jeremy.

[jeremy clark]

I didn't need 3 days. I didn't have to respond at all. No excuse. Everything I said is 100 percent true. Yes, I use quotation marks when appropriate.

[carnut4life]

If you and the owner are convinced the stamp real I wouldn't worry about what anyone else thinks. But if you want a second opinion, there are a few guys on this site that know as much or more about 69 Camaro's than the so called experts. I'm not one of them but the knowledge of the members on this site is absolutely incredible.

[70 copo]

Mr. Clark consulted with me about the issues present well before he posted here, and as you all know I have the Norwood VIN stamping tools and stamps under lock and key.

He is simply looking for information to explain a production anomaly which really is not an anomaly at all If you understand the Norwood assembly process and how the tool room functioned the interface with the transmission feeder conveyor and the motor line all on a day to day basis.

How about we all take a deep breath and put the hobby politics away for a while and try to learn something new?

[JamesinHBCA]

Originally Posted by 70 copo

Mr. Clark consulted with me about the issues present well before he posted here, and as you all know I have the Norwood VIN stamping tools and stamps under lock and key.

He is simply looking for information to explain a production anomaly which really is not an anomaly at all If you understand the Norwood assembly process and how the tool room functioned the interface with the transmission feeder conveyor and the motor line all on a day to day basis.

How about we all take a deep breath and put the hobby politics away for a while and try to learn something new?

If you have "the" stamps maybe you should destroy or alter them so no one can ever correctly restamp an engine again.

Otherwise you just have "a" set of original stamps and there are many more out there.

[70 copo]

Originally Posted by JamesinHBCA

If you have "the" stamps maybe you should destroy or alter them so no one can ever correctly restamp an engine again.

Otherwise you just have "a" set of original stamps and there are many more out there.

Despite the obvious troll I will reply.

I am not in to destroying historical objects of any type and to suggest doing so is patiently absurd.

I have written two books on the Norwood Plant, assisted with a pending documentary work, interviewed (on the record) literally hundreds of workers.

Finally the artifacts. I have been blessed with a number of significant artifacts over the years including the stamps. After receiving them I took the initiative to interview the guys who used them, the workers who managed the motor line, other workers who issued the stamps, and explored other issues routinely presented by ARO's on the line.

This information does give me significant knowledge to share specifically with the hobby when a so called "anomaly" appears.

Several years ago I issued a $10K charity challenge to a gentleman on Team Camaro who said I did not "really" have the stampers and tooling.

JamesinHBCA--You want to take me up on it? I have a charity all selected and ready just let me know.

[JamesinHBCA]

Originally Posted by 70 copo

Despite the obvious troll I will reply.

I am not in to destroying historical objects of any type and to suggest doing so is patiently absurd.

I have written two books on the Norwood Plant, assisted with a pending documentary work, interviewed (on the record) literally hundreds of workers.

Finally the artifacts. I have been blessed with a number of significant artifacts over the years including the stamps. After receiving them I took the initiative to interview the guys who used them, the workers who managed the motor line, other workers who issued the stamps, and explored other issues routinely presented by ARO's on the line.

This information does give me significant knowledge to share specifically with the hobby when a so called "anomaly" appears.

Several years ago I issued a $10K charity challenge to a gentleman on Team Camaro who said I did not "really" have the stampers and tooling.

JamesinHBCA--You want to take me up on it? I have a charity all selected and ready just let me know.

Not a troll and my suggestion to alter the stamps is just a joke because although you may have a real set of stamps, there are plenty more out there.

BTW it's the engine assembly stamps that are more closely scrutinized and you did not get those from the Norwood plant.

I am aware of your publications and the research you have done for the hobby. It just sounded like you where claiming to have the one and only set of stamps and tools used at the factory and that is just wrong.