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Actually that price doesn't seem that high. Last year they sold a Cortez Silver RS Z/28 for $140k and there were things about that car that were a little off. If I remember right, it never started life as an RS originally and was converted (X77 trim tag).
It was a nicely restored car with certifications. Last edited by x33rs; 01-18-2019 at 02:27 PM. |
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I do believe Jerry is there as well as William (I'm supposed to meet up with William tomorrow) But I don't think they document every car unless requested?
Also doesn't appear that bidders care about being totally correct either as this car is too early for a ZL2 hood and the wide rear spoiler. Similar instance with the Silver Z I mentioned from last year that sold for $140k. People didn't mind it was a converted RS car. I talked to William about this last year, I'm sure he remembers the details better than I do. But at least the silver car was an X77 with a real tag, so it was a documented Z. The problem with this orange Z in question is that it's too early for the X codes, and with what I assume the general consensus is a restamped drivetrain and fake paperwork, there's no telling what the car started life as without some serious investigation work. Last edited by x33rs; 01-18-2019 at 02:30 PM. |
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What do you have after a serious investigation? A car without it's original drivetrain that can't be definitively proven as to what it started as.... For cars that were certified it would be nice to have a link to the report or just have a few key items listed : Original trim tag to the car X Original Engine X Original TransX No restamped components X
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Yep that's what I mean. Doesn't seem to matter as much about the drivetrain, or so it appears. And the fact that the cars aren't restored correctly as pertaining to their build time frame doesn't seem to have any affect either. People are spending money on converted X77 RS's, style trim added, ZL2 and spoilers added, early cars with 8k tachs etc... I think this stuff, from what I'm seeing, only concerns the small group of hard core people.
Makes the blue 69 survivor that sold here look like a steal. |
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Just saw the z28 crossram car do 82,000. Seem kinda low if what they were saying about original crossram. It was on the block for a long time.
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Maybe it got extra time because they couldn't find the hood latch? Geez that 69 RS/SS restomod went for $220K !!! .
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Don't forget the auction company's have their own bidders in the crowd pushing prices. Add alcohol, people that don't care about originality, shiny paint, bright lights, and bam! Big numbers...
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Seeing these cars in person almost always explains why nearly identical cars sell for drastically different prices. Especially the quality of some of the paint jobs that can't be seen from TV. BJ gets a a lot of negative talk, and some of it probably for good reason, but I see these scenarios in all the auction places around here in January.
The orange cross ram car that sold for $88k appeared to have an open element air cleaner setup with a ZL2 hood. Seeing the rest of the car in person may explain more. The black cross ram Z sold for $121k with day 2 mods, but at least had a correct air cleaner for the ZL2 hood, I believe it to be one of Mike Kaiser's cars. The Glacier Blue Z sold for $99K, the Daytona Yellow Z went for $85k, orange Z for $88K, then you have a green Z that goes for $69k, and a dark blue one for $83k. Of course some of these are RS Z's that help the price. Prices fluctuated all over the place. I saw that with LS6 chevelles too. Prices everywhere. There are 3 or 4 more Z's that go tonight. Last edited by x33rs; 01-19-2019 at 02:40 PM. |
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"Seeing these cars in person almost always explains why nearly identical cars sell for drastically different prices..."
That can not be emphasized enough. You really need to see these cars in person to see the differences in quality of paint and restoration. That usually (not always) explains the difference in price, along with things like color preference (Hugger Orange is very popular). |
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