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Old 12-10-2019, 02:29 PM
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Chevrolet introduces new Camaro model for 2020 NASCAR Cup Series

Chevrolet will compete in the NASCAR Cup Series next season with an updated version of its Camaro, the ZL1 1LE.

https://www.autosport.com/nascar/new...odel-to-nascar
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Old 12-10-2019, 03:14 PM
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The ZL1 1LE is an attempt to create the Niche appeal of the Monte Carlo SS Areocoupe.

But first they have to start notching some wins... 2020 will be critical to see if GM actually exits NASCAR.
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:15 AM
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It is a complex back story:

In recent years the owners of NASCAR began to take positions in direct opposition to the belief structures of the people who supported the series all in an attempt to please the media and the socials.

The autopsy of NASCAR could read that the race was so safe since the loss of Dale that it was literally-boring to watch.

Ticket prices 25% higher then they were a decade ago.

Climate change people attacking the series for polluting the environment.

NASCAR beginning to support gun control.

Perhaps the epitaph was the media attack after staged questions were set to encourage NASCAR to protest the stars and stripes and national anthem a couple of years ago. This was a no win for NASCAR. If you are pro flag then you are polarized. If you decline the narrative then you loose again.

Media: Is NASCAR doing enough to battle: ?

Racism,

Global Warming,

Guns,

Display of the Confederate flag at the tracks -- and the list goes on and on...

If you are a potential new fan and you are likely to be worried about what people think of you than you are far less likely to participate in attending races or even watch.

Older fans took note and by changing the channel and finding other things to do rather than attend races.

The slow and painful death of NASCAR.

GM is bugging out simply because there are no detectable vehicle sale uptick or positive publicity as a result of participation in the series.
I think the single biggest reason for the slow decline is millenials( or gen YZ whathaveyas) are just not in to cars, period. And before someone chimes in with " I know this 30 yr old blah blah" it's a #s game, and not one Nascar is winning,or can seemingly fix no matter how many attempts to re invent themselves they try. It's over.
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Old 12-11-2019, 05:54 PM
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I first started losing interest in NASCAR when they went from the big block to the small block engines, I think with a CID limit of 358 or 359. I can't remember when this actually occurred. When Richard Petty retired after the 1992 or 1993 season I lost more interest. When they started making the cars look like cookie cutter ones with only decals differentiating them I completely lost interest. It basically turned into an IROC series. I would feel for all those who make a living in NASCAR, but wouldn't miss it at all if it went under.
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Agree with all points stated, especially the indistinguishable cars - you need to look for the model on the front to determine what it is!!

Plus, there is no R&D Technology feedback for the mfg's with outdated pushrods, carbs, etc....think F1 and to a lesser degree Indy Car. IMHO, I like the old school V8 config's, but GM isn't learning anything new from the NASCAR engine builders that they can implement into current production models.
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I first started losing interest in NASCAR when they went from the big block to the small block engines, I think with a CID limit of 358 or 359. I can't remember when this actually occurred. When Richard Petty retired after the 1992 or 1993 season I lost more interest. When they started making the cars look like cookie cutter ones with only decals differentiating them I completely lost interest. It basically turned into an IROC series. I would feel for all those who make a living in NASCAR, but wouldn't miss it at all if it went under.
I agree with some of your opinions; for me I am not so put off by the displacement thing but, I agree 110% about the cars being cookie cutter with decals used to make them resemble the production cars.
Can't the teams built all of the safety into a car that uses production body panels? or at least some of the panels.

I also think the Chase thing isn't adding anything to the sport.

I agree that the races are more like a IROC series and less of a competitive sport.
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:05 PM
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Old 12-11-2019, 07:20 PM
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Chevy was very dominate in Nascar for years. Most wins, championships on and on. Chevy started to decline a few years ago. Their engine program was not keeping up with Toyota's program. Toyota was making more horsepower but Chevy never countered to keep up Ford was getting better but Toyota was still winning. Nascar is like Pro Stock in the NHRA drag racing series. Expenses were getting way out of hand but they still have a limited number of races at NHRA series. Chevy is king there. Tony Stewart switched to Ford in Nascar, he has always been a Chevy guy but could see the horsepower war was a losing cause for Chevy. I quit watching after Gordon, Earnhardt Jr, retired. The young guys came in and just had no respect how they raced out there and Rusty Wallace made comment to this years back. It has changed big time. Empty seats all over the series, interest has been slipping. Ticket prices and Toyota winning all the time turned people off. Agree with other poster, this should be only a GM, Ford, Chrysler all America manufacturer series. The Trans Am series stopped but still operates under no manufacturer support now. Will Nascar be next? Chevy still is big in the NHRA drag racing series support and Indy car.

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Old 12-11-2019, 08:06 PM
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This may be a reality seeing as how GM will kill the Camaro in 2023. NASCAR will need to get another foreign manufacture to fill the gap. It was reported Honda was looking at the feasibility of entering ... Just another nail in that coffin ... TAZ
GM did not say they were killing the Camaro in 2023. They said that the 7th gen Camaro development would go on hiatus and that the 6th gen would continue at least through 2023.
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Old 12-11-2019, 09:02 PM
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Way too many rules + boring cars + boring drivers + mickey mouse points chase + many of the greats have moved on + same driver winning multiple championships = sport is dead.
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