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Old 07-21-2019, 01:06 AM
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I'm impressed. That is a lot of car for 60k. About the price of a loaded 1/2 ton pickup truck.

That being said, I don't care for exotics(Lambos, ect) and the new Vette looks like an exotic.

The only thing that looks more ridiculous than on old man in a muscle car(me) is an old man in an exotic.
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Old 07-21-2019, 01:08 AM
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...they opt for the automatics because they are easier to sell when the time comes.
That is surprising.

I had a heck of a time finding a Volvo C70 with a manual for my wife back in the day. She didn't want a slush box.
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Old 07-21-2019, 02:26 AM
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Can’t wait to get my hands on one and track it.
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No Stick ? Govt Motors what have you done
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IMO History repeats... the last time we watched this play out was in 1984 with the hybrid 4+3 skip shift transmission but this time the matter is reversed with a manual option on the wire built onto the computer controlled automatic.

And just like 1984 the foundation for this silliness is today's emission approvals. In 1984 it was California.

Now it is sales in any country or area that has committed to the Paris accord.

If GM gets beat up enough by customers and the automotive press for not having a manual you can bet they will find a way to offer one later in production. Ford is taking the same gamble with the 2020 Mustang GT 500 going with only the Tremec seven-speed dual-clutch automatic.

But do not worry too much. In 10 years we will be having an entirely different discussion. Instead of "no stick" we will be asking how long will we be able to buy a car with a steering wheel?
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Old 07-21-2019, 03:37 PM
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IMO History repeats... the last time we watched this play out was in 1984 with the hybrid 4+3 skip shift transmission but this time the matter is reversed with a manual option on the wire built onto the computer controlled automatic.

And just like 1984 the foundation for this silliness is today's emission approvals. In 1984 it was California.

Now it is sales in any country or area that has committed to the Paris accord.

If GM gets beat up enough by customers and the automotive press for not having a manual you can bet they will find a way to offer one later in production. Ford is taking the same gamble with the 2020 Mustang GT 500 going with only the Tremec seven-speed dual-clutch automatic.

But do not worry too much. In 10 years we will be having an entirely different discussion. Instead of "no stick" we will be asking how long will we be able to buy a car with a steering wheel?
GM does listen to it's customers,at least for performance cars. When the ZL1LE came out, stick only, now offered with A10. And the 19 Camaro refresh is thankfully going back to 17-18 front end fascia's after wholesale dislike.
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Old 07-21-2019, 04:14 PM
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Factory line is manual doesn't work on this platform, doesn't best suit mid-engine layout and is a performance compromise; minimizing capabilities of other components/electronics. Oh, and no one buys them. 8-spd DCT for now. Wouldn't be surprised if there's an electric variant at some point ...?
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I talked with a recently retired Chassis Engineer for a while at the Corvette Nationals asked him about the C8 engines...
Told him I heard one at Nurburg which had the exhaust note of a flat plane engine... SO
I asked specifically about a flat plane crank engine in the C8... he stated he was not in power trains however his understanding was that the optional engine would be of a flat plane crank design! This explains the design of the engine- people thought the additional driven off the cam was more valves...BET it's a balance shaft.
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Old 07-21-2019, 07:14 PM
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That is surprising.

I had a heck of a time finding a Volvo C70 with a manual for my wife back in the day. She didn't want a slush box.
Wives come with manuals??
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Old 07-21-2019, 07:30 PM
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Factory line is manual doesn't work on this platform, doesn't best suit mid-engine layout and is a performance compromise; minimizing capabilities of other components/electronics. Oh, and no one buys them. 8-spd DCT for now. Wouldn't be surprised if there's an electric variant at some point ...?
I agree with Mr T, three pedals are going away. Millenials won't be buying these and don't need hip replacement surgery.

If someone comes across one of those wife manuals on amazon or elsewhere please provide a link!
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