You Can't Make This Stuff Up! - Page 3452

**William** · #**34511** 05-01-2023, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dustinm

I get where both sides are coming from, but Lee has a good point. You weren't going to go down to small town Hutchinson's Chevrolet (local GM dealer town of 1200 - I also know the owners son) and just order a ZL1 Camaro via a regular order sheet. I would wager to bet even that small time zone manager would not have known how to get one(I could be wrong).

All 1969 ZL-1 Camaros were ordered via a regular dealer order form bearing a six-character tracking number in the upper RH corner. Gibb's 50 were NCJ016-NCJ065.

As for the small town comment...

Gibb Chevrolet La Harpe IL current population 1,141. Huffmans Chevrolet Farmington IL [ZL-1s #66 & #67] current population 2,272. Brooks Chevrolet Co. Millen GA [ZL-1 #51] current population 2,921. Brewers Chevrolet Campton KY [ZL-1 #57] current population 424.

78% of ZL-1 Camaros were delivered to dealerships in towns with a current population of less than 3,000.

Guessing that all those BOSS 429 Mustangs were not productions cars either, as Ford did not install the engines.

**Steve Shauger** · #**34512** 05-01-2023, 05:45 PM

William that for providing the facts. Too many times opinions are thrown out as WAG or just as a contrarian.

Lee Stewart · #**34513** 05-01-2023, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by William

Guessing that all those BOSS 429 Mustangs were not productions cars either, as Ford did not install the engines.

So you are also including:

1965/1966 Shelby GT350s
1969 Hurst Olds
1969 Scrambler
All Superbirds

You are saying these aren't production cars because Ford, Olds, AMC and Plymouth didn't do 100% of the build?

I call BS on that!

**William** · #**34514** 05-01-2023, 07:04 PM

ZL-1 [and L-72] Camaros were 100% complete, driven off the assembly line, loaded on transporters. Not one special process was required to complete them. They were in every sense of the word, production cars.

Boss 429 Mustangs had to be shipped to another facility for the installation of a different engine. Puts them in the same category as 67-68 Yenko Camaros, Motion, Dana, Nickey, Harrell 427 cars.

Shelby was a manufacturer; his cars had Shelby-American VINs and could be registered with their VIN.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

Lee Stewart · #**34515** 05-01-2023, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by William

Boss 429 Mustangs had to be shipped to another facility for the installation of a different engine. Puts them in the same category as 67-68 Yenko Camaros, Motion, Dana, Nickey, Harrell 427 cars.

How can you say that? None of those companies made the engines they put in their cars. Ford built the Boss 429 engines then shipped it to Kar Kraft who installed them. All you did was create a Straw Man Argument with your list.

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Shelby was a manufacturer; his cars had Shelby-American VINs and could be registered with their VIN.

All he did was finish the cars. Ford supplied the Mustangs. The fact that he added a VIN to his cars changes nothing. He was no different than Yenko or Nickey.

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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

Bending the truth to your own agenda - that's a good story too.

**Lynn** · #**34516** 05-01-2023, 08:25 PM

JMHO. I am a nobody here.

Give it a rest guys. Just depends on your definition of production cars.
Agree to disagree.
Let's focus on the things we DO agree on.

**Mr70** · #**34517** 05-01-2023, 09:52 PM

I was just trying to explain what I replied on earlier,not contradicting anyone here in anyway.
Always enjoy learning more details about these cars.Lots of good points & details being brought up.

Lee Stewart · #**34518** 05-01-2023, 11:22 PM

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