CURRENT VALUES OF CAMARO 427 ALUMINUM ENGINE CARS

[markinnaples]

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Are there any of the original 69 ZL1 not accounted for?

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Are they all accounted for??

[iluv69s]

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Are there any of the original 69 ZL1 not accounted for?

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Are they all accounted for??

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some of the cars are known destroyed, some were stolen from the dealer when new..and still a few are unaccounted for I believe.

I have a copy of Ed C.s list from about 2002 I believe and I know atleast one or two cars have been found since then. But that still leaves a few missing.

[Donutblue]

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show...0/fpart/1/vc/1

This is one of the threads for it, can't find the other, I have a list of the missing/stolen ZL1's and their vin's in my wallet -- checking every Camaro I come across lol

[William]

Happy huntin'

The Merollis VINs are rumored to be reg in CDN. #24 was reported junked.

#5 124379N 608381
#8 124379N 608761
#10 124379N 608969
#19 124379N 609530
#20 124379N 609599
#21 124379N 609651
#29 124379N 610123
#39 124379N 613787
#41 124379N 615229
#42 124379N 615242
#43 124379N 615362
#44 124379N 618396
#48 124379N 618902
#52 124379N 620934
#67 124379N 644314
Merollis Chev
#24 124379N 609838
#32 124379N 610515
#37 124379N 612963
#50 124379N 620498

[Xplantdad]

Are those sand drags pictures from Riverside? That car looks familiar...

[iluv69s]

Thanks William,

I'm sure your list is probably more accurate than the (old)list I have which came from Ed C's site back then. I was going to post the notes from the old list I have..it is interestng that he even listed the first names and initial of the prior owners of these cars...some heavy hitters in the musclecar hobby from that time...

One thing I would add is this. In a conversation with Ed C. years ago, he told me that "if he had no record or knowledge of the car existing, he listed the cars as 'destroyed' on his list although he suspected that some of the cars still existed".

No need to post an old list now....


Now we all will be checking every 69 Camaro that we can find ..in a field..at a garage..at the track...I'm surprised that that many are still unaccounted for....
Who knows when the next one will be found ?? I'm sure there is atleast one or two still out there!!

Thanks again William !!

[iluv69s]

For those of you that do not think they could ever find a real ZL-1....an interesting story about a recent ZL-1 find just in the past few years..I beleive it is ZL-1 number 35 or 36??...and correct me if I am wrong on the details..
Tha car was purchased as a non-numbers 69 Z-28 with a small block and the Z-28 emblems and all. Later was found to have the VIN number on the title 1 digit incorrect all these years...the car's VIN was actually one of the real ZL-1's....therefore no-one ever found the car with the real ZL-1 VIN # when they did a title/registration search for the car.
Could I have worded that any worse??

Someone can fill in the details...I was told about this car by Jerry M...but I dont remember the exact details...

But They are still out thereeee!!!!!

[William]

No doubt. The mis-registration story is true and has now occurred twice. That's how #54 was very reasonably purchased.

Unfortunately the known race cars are probably still around [#5, #41, #42] but way cut up. Some did show registration years ago [#8, #20] probably still exist. Two others were reported stolen [#39, #43] but only one is still registered to an insurance firm. #29, #52, #67 were crashed and probably junked.

Engines from #10, #21, #41 still exist. The engine from #4 [19N608214] was in a '71 Camaro PRO car sold to Jim Dunn in CA in 1972. Would be very interested in info about it.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Regarding the cars that were "stolen" from the dealer. Weren't these cars extremely hard to sell? What if the dealer made them disappear and collected the insurance on them?

[William]

http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml

"The telling blow for COPO 9560 was the price. Gibb is quoted as saying he believed the cars would list for around $4900. Unfortunately for Gibb, the new edict at Chevrolet came through that options had to be priced according to production costs. Just the "HIGH PERFORMANCE UNIT" option was priced at $4160.50. (For reasons unknown, subsequent ZL-1s were priced at $4160.15) The mandatory power disc brakes and transmission option pushed sticker prices over $7300. This was far more than a well equipped 1969 Corvette and would be roughly equivalent to today's Z06 Corvette. Not only would the cars not sell, Gibb likely was unable to pay for them. Gibb plead his case, and in an unprecedented move, Chevrolet agreed to the return of many ZL-1 Camaros. The cars were shipped back to Norwood, Ohio beginning in May 1969 and Chevrolet began to shop the cars around. Gibb also wholesaled cars directly to other dealers who would soon learn what he knew: they were sale-proof. Many dealers removed and sold the ZL-1 engines, replacing them with iron 396 or 427s, adding stripes and mag wheels, doing whatever it took to sell the white elephants. Several were stolen and never recovered. Gibb sold his last new 1969 ZL-1 Camaro in 1972 (with the aid of a $1000 rebate from Chevrolet). It was re-possessed and returned it to Gibb in 1973."

"Fred Gibb may have believed the ZL-1 Camaro was his exclusively. Compounding his difficulty in selling the cars was the fact that other Chevrolet dealers had learned of the COPO and ordered 19 additional ZL-1 Camaros. Some of these cars had more optional equipment. Many of these Camaros found the same cold reception as the Gibbs' cars and suffered the same fate: engine swaps, theft, modifications."