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442w30 08-05-2018 03:40 AM

1967-68 SS 427 question
 
Did Chevrolet ever offer a floor-shifted 3-speed for big cars? Or was the standard transmission for the SS 427 in 1967-68 a column-shifted 3-speed? Thank you!

ADDENDUM: 1969 too!

Lee Stewart 08-05-2018 04:44 AM

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Howmac 08-05-2018 12:12 PM

I believe the code for the 3 spd HD trans was MC1 ( same shifter body as the Chevelle 3 spd floor shift)

Tarrytown SS427s 08-05-2018 02:16 PM

No floor shift 3 speeds. The base equipment in the SS427 (every big block actually) was the M13 Special 3 speed, column shift. In a situation where the car had a console, the console had a blockout plate covering the area where the shifter would have been.

442w30 08-05-2018 05:03 PM

So where did Lee get his info?

aawtech 08-05-2018 07:48 PM

I'm not sure where Lee got his info, but Steve is spot-on. No floor shifter 3 speed manual trans applications on the big car. Chevelle, Nova and Camaro only. Donny

Lee Stewart 08-05-2018 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aawtech (Post 1410453)
I'm not sure where Lee got his info, but Steve is spot-on. No floor shifter 3 speed manual trans applications on the big car. Chevelle, Nova and Camaro only. Donny

https://www.oldride.com/library/1967...et_impala.html

442w30 08-05-2018 08:26 PM

Thanks for posting. Personally, I'd be careful when posting stuff that isn't a document, even if documents can be wrong too.

For example, the 1968 Pontiac brochure shows 3-speed on the column for GTOs, but other brochures show it on the floor. Factory docs show none built on the column.

Tracker1 08-06-2018 09:42 PM

Lee's info probably reflects some combination of just all Impala or 427-equipped Impalas

Which must be differentiated from the SS427 'package' car.

Impala's are super-confusing with the 427 being available in the base Impala

Then the Impala SS having the 427 engine as an option.

Then the SS427 'package' available on the Impala - though I don't think Impala appears anywhere as a nameplate on that car, just SS427. I stand to be corrected on that point...

There were three such cars lined up at MCACN last November - base Impala with 427, Impala SS optioned with 427 and an SS427...all very cool cars.

P.S. - if you ever get a chance to actually eat Impala, go for it. The meat melts in your mouth and is one of the most delicious things I've ever eaten. :)

442w30 08-06-2018 09:43 PM

But according to Steve, there was no floor shift at all for 3-speeds.

SS427 08-06-2018 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracker1 (Post 1410597)
Then the SS427 'package' available on the Impala - though I don't think Impala appears anywhere as a nameplate on that car, just SS427. I stand to be corrected on that point...

You are correct. No where on the car that I can recall does it say Impala.

Lee Stewart 08-06-2018 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SS427 (Post 1410608)
You are correct. No where on the car that I can recall does it say Impala.

Available in two models: SS 427 Sport Coupe and SS 427 Convertible. No Impala emblems on the car.

Lee Stewart 08-06-2018 10:32 PM

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Lee Stewart 08-06-2018 10:35 PM

I once read that the three grilles on the hood were to depict the optional 427 with Tri-Power (400 HP) but was cancelled when GM said no multi-carb engines except for the Corvette for the 1967 model year. Truth, Urban Legend or BS?

442w30 08-06-2018 10:39 PM

I would guess its an urban legend. How to explain the Chevelle's hood?

Lee Stewart 08-06-2018 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 442w30 (Post 1410612)
I would guess its an urban legend. How to explain the Chevelle's hood?

Another styling cue, which differed from the 1966 model for the required "hood treatment" that became standard on muscle cars.

Prior to the 1967 model year Chevy put it's highest performance RPO engine in the Corvette and Full Size: L78 in 1965 and L72 in 1966. This changed in 1967 due to the introduction of the Camaro and resumed in 1968 and 1969.

As noted, the SS 427 was Chevy's answer to a turn key full size muscle car. Just order RPO Z24.

442w30 08-06-2018 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart (Post 1410614)
This changed in 1967 due to the introduction of the Camaro ....

Do we know this to be true?

1967 is a strange year for Chevrolet.....L72 cancelled, L78 fell off the charts for the Chevelle (was it cancelled, then reintroduced?), and L79 Chevy II MIA till the end of the year. I am not sure it has to do with the Camaro. Enlighten me with this tangent? :3gears:

Lee Stewart 08-06-2018 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 442w30 (Post 1410618)
Do we know this to be true?

1967 is a strange year for Chevrolet.....L72 cancelled, L78 fell off the charts for the Chevelle (was it cancelled, then reintroduced?), and L79 Chevy II MIA till the end of the year. I am not sure it has to do with the Camaro. Enlighten me with this tangent? :3gears:

Chevy fully embraced muscle cars for the model year 1966. L79 Chevy II/Nova SS, L78 Chevelle SS 396 and L72 Full Size. Chevy had no pony car like Ford and Plymouth did.

Then came the Camaro for 1967 - originally the SS 350 was the highest performance version. When you look at the other three lines you see that Chevy crippled them when it came to high performance. All the high performance engines were gone. The only car that improved from day one for the 1967 model year was the Corvette with the introduction of the L71.

Then Chevy added the 396 to the Camaro because 1967 was all about big block muscle cars. AFAIK the L78 made it's debut in the Pace Car edition. 1967 was the model year that Chrysler debuted it's muscle cars: Coronet R/T and GTX along with the 383 powered Barracuda S and Dart GTS. Ford made the R and W code 427s RPO engines in the Fairlane 500. Olds introduced the RPO W30 for the 442. Pontiac had just sold over 90,000 GTOs.

I believe that Chevy "blinked" when it saw the competition and re-released the L78 in the Chevelle SS 396 though it was too late and resulted in a paltry 612 being built.

When the whole auto industry is embracing high performance muscle cars . . . why do you cut back on your offerings? What changed for the model year 1967 for Chevrolet? The introduction of the Camaro.

442w30 08-06-2018 11:32 PM

I see what you're saying - it makes sense, to a point - but I remain unconvinced. However, I don't have a better theory.

Pontiac didn't hold back with its offerings despite the Firebird, FWIW.

Lee Stewart 08-06-2018 11:45 PM

Look at what happened the following model year: 1968
  • Introduction of the SS 396 El Camino
  • L72 back in the Full Size
  • L78 available day one in Camaro SS and Chevelle SS 396 then added to the Nova SS
  • Z/28 Camaro gets media attention - sells over 7000

Pontiac had sold over 90,000 GTOs when the model year 1966 closed. They were the "king of the hill" when it came to production numbers of muscle cars sold. Remember that Pontiac didn't start selling Firebirds in September 1966, the beginning of the 1967 model year. It wasn't until February 23, 1967 that Pontiac debuted it's new Firebird.

L_e_e 08-08-2018 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 442w30 (Post 1410612)
I would guess its an urban legend. How to explain the Chevelle's hood?

Some things just can't be explained.........LOL........:hmmm:

SS427 08-08-2018 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart (Post 1410611)
I once read that the three grilles on the hood were to depict the optional 427 with Tri-Power (400 HP) but was cancelled when GM said no multi-carb engines except for the Corvette for the 1967 model year. Truth, Urban Legend or BS?

Very much the truth. The AIM manual even shows the engine for the car but was canceled before production.

Incidentally, on the blue SS427 promotional photo above, this was a pre release photo and the hood nose emblem was not placed on production cars.

442w30 08-08-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SS427 (Post 1410827)
Very much the truth. The AIM manual even shows the engine for the car but was canceled before production.

The truth was that the L68 was going to be available, or the hood was a homage to that engine that ended up not being installed?


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