1969 Camaro L89 with JL8 option at Kissimmee

[Lynn]

OH, and yes, great job getting pics Bill.

[bbbentley]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a sad day for this hobby. As a nice clone car it does, of course, have some value. Maybe $60k or there about. Didn't a nice clone ZL1 recently bring around $50k? It would be a lot harder to come up with a complete ZL1 motor than to put a fake L89 together.

If someone were selling forged Renoir as an &quot;original&quot; Renoir, he would likely be prosecuted.

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As a side, there are NINE 69 SS 396 cars on Ebay right now and by the pics, maybe one of them is a real deal. It makes me sick as none are being advertised as bogus. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery it is said until someone, like myself, would try and sell my real deal car and have to defend it as such with all the fakery out there. Of course, selling is not in the picture for the foreseeable future.

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a sad day for this hobby. As a nice clone car it does, of course, have some value. Maybe $60k or there about. Didn't a nice clone ZL1 recently bring around $50k? It would be a lot harder to come up with a complete ZL1 motor than to put a fake L89 together.

If someone were selling forged Renoir as an &quot;original&quot; Renoir, he would likely be prosecuted.

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&quot;Bingo&quot;

[bergy]

Yikes! Can you imagine how badly the broach would have been worn to create those broach marks?

[Billohio]

I told my Buddy I hope they used good head gaskets!

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kwhizz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a sad day for this hobby. As a nice clone car it does, of course, have some value. Maybe $60k or there about. Didn't a nice clone ZL1 recently bring around $50k? It would be a lot harder to come up with a complete ZL1 motor than to put a fake L89 together.

If someone were selling forged Renoir as an &quot;original&quot; Renoir, he would likely be prosecuted.

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&quot;Bingo&quot; </div></div>

Or it could be a good day for the hobby if the buyer who after facts surface doesn't appreciate being made a fool of digs in his heels and does something about it?
Not sure which ZL1 clone went for 60 thou recently, perhaps you're thinking of the totally bogus ZL1 motored car that sold for $160 this past fall here in Canada wearing a claimed ZL1 #48 identity?
As for as the Renoir comparisons, in the art world crooks in cahoots buy each other's bogus 'works' at auction when real buyers don't appear touting them as genuine and great buys etc regardless of controversy.
These fraud pieces are put back on the block or held for a while first depending on how much of a kerfuffle ensued when last offered then another whirl given to find real money buyers.
Whether real buyers or crooks passing each other's items around the auction houses make their commisions so obviously they're better off financially to say nothing especially when if a refund is necessary they still get to keep their $.
Sound familiar?
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~ Pete

[Vern B]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kwhizz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a sad day for this hobby. As a nice clone car it does, of course, have some value. Maybe $60k or there about. Didn't a nice clone ZL1 recently bring around $50k? It would be a lot harder to come up with a complete ZL1 motor than to put a fake L89 together.

If someone were selling forged Renoir as an &quot;original&quot; Renoir, he would likely be prosecuted.

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&quot;Bingo&quot; </div></div>

Or it could be a good day for the hobby if the buyer who after facts surface doesn't appreciate being made a fool of digs in his heels and does something about it?
Not sure which ZL1 clone went for 60 thou recently, perhaps you're thinking of the totally bogus ZL1 motored car that sold for $160 this past fall here in Canada wearing a claimed ZL1 #48 identity?
As for as the Renoir comparisons, in the art world crooks in cahoots buy each other's bogus 'works' at auction when real buyers don't appear touting them as genuine and great buys etc regardless of controversy.
These fraud pieces are put back on the block or held for a while first depending on how much of a kerfuffle ensued when last offered then another whirl given to find real money buyers.
Whether real buyers or crooks passing each other's items around the auction houses make their commisions so obviously they're better off financially to say nothing especially when if a refund is necessary they still get to keep their $.
Sound familiar?
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~ Pete

Lot F254 in the Mecum auction on Friday was a ZL 1 clone that sold for $ 62k. Very nice car with a lot of original parts including an original 69 block.
I talked to the guy and his wife, from Houston, that bought it and they were ecstatic and couldn't believe it sold for that price. There was a HO 69 L 72 clone that later bid to $70 and was a no sale, go figure.


http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail...mp;startRow=281




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[mr 707]

a stigma will be attached to this car forever. I wonder who bought it.? at 200k im sure the buyer felt it was a real car. If the car sold for clone money i think the seller would be off the hook.
someone here must know who bought the car???

[Lynn]

That's the one I was thinking of Verne.

Nice car for the money.

The fake L89 car in question would be worth about that, if properly represented.

Wonder if Mr. Edward J. (Jack) O'Donnell kept the original trim tag from car 690139?

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yikes! Can you imagine how badly the broach would have been worn to create those broach marks? </div></div>

You mean to say how sharp the blades were...[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]