1969 Camaro L89 with JL8 option at Kissimmee

[al8apex]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Born30YrsLate</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...looks like you can have one now built for 20% of the auction price...
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So let's just go <span style="text-decoration: line-through">steal</span> borrow all the pictures we can of someone else's black 69 Camaro and pretend that is what we can do ...

or maybe they DID build the car in question ... ???

[Lynn]

Same thing I thought Jim.

They did not build it. I was curious and sent them this question: I noticed the first few pics are of the Jack O'Donnell L89 car that just sold at Mecum. Did you guys build that car?


Got this answer: That's a photo file. We have many pics of builds we have done. I just love that pic of the Camaro

[jannes_z-28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jireh Customs</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the art world an auction house would be sure if the painting they sell is legit, it would ruin their name for ever if they sold a fake. And they would commit an illegal act. Apparently not a problem in the auto auction world...


Can't just about anybody call the FBI on this auction company, evidence in this case i clear.


Jan </div></div>
The auction companies all state clearly on the descriptions that all of the information is provided by and represented by the seller and not the auction. That way it keeps them out of the &quot;misrepresented&quot; trouble. </div></div>


Even so the auction company has a responsibility. I doubt that an art auction company could get away with that clause if they sold a fake painting of Picasso. And the same should apply here as well, they have obviously been participating in fraud here. A fake painting sold for less than this car would have stirred up a lot of fuss in the art business.


It could be simple for the auction companies if they asked the seller for a certificate of the car before entering the action. No certificate no sell.


Jan

[SuperNovaSS]

Certificate? If that was the case there would be no cars going through the auction at all.

Who would certify the cars? What if a car came up as being fake down the line? How long would the certifier be accountable?

It is easy to throw out a solution like this but much harder to make it reasonable in the real world. All it would do is make real cars much more expensive in my opinion.

Jason

[Kurt S]

Barrett-Jackson has hired automotive specialists to do inspections before the cars go across the block. So they are actually taking action....

[twertsy]

How about GM simply releasing their records? Problem solved.

[iluv69s]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barrett-Jackson has hired automotive specialists to do inspections before the cars go across the block. So they are actually taking action.... </div></div>

I wonder how they inspect the cars..and are the inspectors make/model specific?? With all the paperwork, this car could fool a lot of people.

I know some of the most renowned appraisal/certificate issuers have been bashed here for thier inspections.

..just think they are taking on liability and asking for more litigation... ???

[njsteve]

The inspectors are retired or current law enforcement officers who are checking for obvious VIN issues like VIN swaps, bad rivets, non matching dash VINS when compared to the body VINs, etc. They do not certify car's as &quot;authentic&quot;. They are only checking for law violations in a rapid triage line during initial check-in.

When I was at Mecum Indy there was a couple rows of cars that were moved to the &quot;lot of misfit toys&quot; where they parked those cars that did not pass the inspections. One was a 69 Judge. Several street rods, too. But cars get through - there was a horrendous VIN tagged 1971 440-6 barracuda convertible with a real BS27V VIN tag that had it's body vin welded over with another body VIN section on top. The attempt was at least 3/8&quot; taller than the surrounding metal on the cowl. The dash VIN was held on with Home Depot rivets...

[twertsy]

???..guy is looking for clear title and vin plate...WTF?

[bbbentley]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">???..guy is looking for clear title and vin plate...WTF? </div></div>
I don't know the individual and can't speak for his motives, but probably this guy is not so much wanting to make a fake high dollar replica, rather, has bought a Dynacorn body and wanting to title it. It is getting almost impossible to find a good car body these days. Most stuff is used and abused. The thing to do especially if you are wanting a &quot;pro touring&quot; type car is to get one of these new bodies and build a car from that. The laws are clear about VIN tampering and putting a VIN on these new bodies is not the way one is supposed to go about it, but it happens all the time. Truthfully, it has been going on for years with old pre-war hotrod cars and the resurgence of the &quot;ratrod&quot;. I can't tell you how many guys I've seen build a Model A Ford, buy a title for it and there you have it. These young ratrodders don't even care if the title is for a Model A. They have titles for anything. One guy had a old T body and told me it is titled as a 36 Plymouth. Another, told me his A is titled as a 41 Chev P.Up. I read a few articles about insurance companies not paying, as you are insuring (you have to prove) that your car is what you say it is. It is a real mess. In a way, being a hotrodder myself, I don't blame some of these guys. They are not intending to defraud anyone, they just want to drive their hotrod. To do it legit, here, in Ohio, you are supposed to get your car inspected by the Hwy. Patrol(it takes a long time to get appointment too) and then have a builders title issued. The problem with that is they put you through hell as far as DOT stuff and can impound your car if there is a question about a part, not to mention, some don't go this route because some car shows you cannot participate, because they allow only cars of a certain age and older and even though it is obvious a car is an old one, with a builder title, it does not qualify for entry or prizes. Getting back to the Camaro. If these pedigree cars keep their status as investments, like coins, Rolex's and art, this forgery problem will persist. It is getting to a point that you have to spend more time proving what you have is real than it is worth to me.