Harrell Website

[Kim_Howie]

Troy, I would like to know where you got the info on my car being worked on by Dick Harrell at the Bristol. Are you sure it was mine or Harry K's car??

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[sYc]

Now that everyone else is telling all, I guess it is time I come clean.

<font color="red"> Chapter two. The 1969 car.

I have known about that car for several years, actually getting to see it while being stored in a shed in KC. In rough shape would be an understatement. I have also have spent considerable time visiting with the guy who first “discovered” the car, which happend to be the same guy, Bob Gibson, who knew of my funny car. As happened with my car, as he was stripping the car with a cheap hardware store chemical stripper, he discovered remnants of a prior paint job and lettering, which led him to believe it might have been one of Dick’s. But because he saw no historical significance in the history of the car, he finished stripping the car, painted it (I believe Blue) and went on about his business, finally selling the car to a racer in Las Vegas. Once again, as with my car, he felt no need to photograph what he saw. I have no reason to doubt what he told me, just think it is ironic the parallels between my car and the ’69.
In the past, there was quite a discussion on here about the ’69 car, and did Valerie have what she said she did, with a lot of the critics coming from the same folks who now say the ’69 is legit and mine is not. When you can some quite a bit of time, check out this thread.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show...0/fpart/1/vc/1

The good thing, the ’69 car would be easily to indentify, as the gentleman who worked for Dick in late ’68 through ‘69, who transported the car 1000s of miles as well as worked on it, is alive and well, living it New Mexico. That is Mr. Glenn Powell, who incidentally, was one of the sYc’s guests at SCR8. He has told me on more then one occasion he would be glad to look at the car and give his opinion.







Chapter three. The legal issues

First, in regards to the rights to the DH mark. If I had wanted control of the mark, I could have done so very easily. You see, when we first met, sometime in late 1999 or early 2000, I am the one who advised Valerie that she needed to register the mark, and GAVE her the money to do so, with no strings attached. I did this because I had learned the hard way about registered trademarks with the Yenko mark. Even though I had received written permission from the Yenko family to use the Yenko name, they could not give me permission to use the Yenko name in commerce, as a guy in Texas held those rights. Unfortunately I was unaware that there was a DHPC still operating in New Mexico, owned by Dick’s sister Betty Hall and her husband Charles. Betty is in poor health and Charles passed away not too long ago. The business is now being ran by their son Rick. Rick and Valerie have been engaged in a long running dispute, over several issues, including his rights to use the DHPC name in conjunction with his business, Their disagreement has entered the legal system, where, unless a compromise can be reached out of court, a Federal judge will decide things. My involvement in the case, as with other sYc members, has been as a friend to Rick. Unless I am called as a witness, I am not an actual part of the suit. It is because of our friendship with Rick, and the other legal action you are about to read about, that several sYc members, and their cars, have been bashed on the DH site.



Chapter 4, the Gibb trademark.

To me this is the most important issue, at least to our hobby that needs to be brought out into the open. A while back, it was reported on this site that Valerie Harrell had applied for the trademark rights to ALL things related to Fred Gibb Chevrolet. If approved, Valerie would have complete control over whom, and how the Gibb mark could be used. Anyone wanting to use the Gibb mark would need Valerie’s permission, including Helen Gibb, the city of LaHarpe, the sYc, etc. As soon as this was posted, I was swamped with calls, emails and PMs from folks wanting to know what could be done to prevent this. I assured everyone I would do some checking, which I did. At this past Vettefest, Helen and I had a nice visit about this. Helen, realizing just how damaging this could be to the Gibb name (look at what Valerie and friends have done to the DH mark), asked if the sYc would help her retain the rights to the Gibb mark, one she had been using for over 40 years. After checking with a few friends, we agreed to support Helen, as we felt it was the right thing to do. So “yes”, the sYc is directly involved in a legal issue, but over the Gibb mark, not the Dick Harrell mark.
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[JoeG]

First off let me congratulate both sides for being able to type so fast------Unfortunately SYC had to make a public comment because of all the cage rattling and he said she said inuendos-------Just remember, This argument has rolled out into the street where all eyes are upon you so it's very easy to see thru private agendas if one keeps going up the same avenue on hot air alone----Alot of what's in the SYC statement was revealed by SYC when the car was first shown on the SYC site----IMO SYC has honestly represented the car with the information presented to them---

[Belair62]

Joe...you are right on. The agenda is not the car either....Ed...thanks for sharing your last self-serving useless comment on this board...

Tom,

Thank you for the reply..It makes for really good reading, and goes to showing your thought process. Please understand that my previous post and this one are simply as a researcher...nothing more nothing less..one who has had unique cars that were diffulct to document. So I certainly can appreciate the "leap of faith" you must have taken to secure such a neat car as the FC.

Repectfully though I must ask a few questions and make a few observations...

It doesn't appear from reading your post that there was really any concrete documentation saying that particular car was a DH car. It seems reading your post that the former owner said it was and you bought it based on that and then tried to research it back to DH. You even mention only being interested in the DH car.

2) It seems to me at least IMO that really the fact the car was a DH car was sort of taken for granted and maybe I'm reading into too much, but that you more or less worked to prove that the car was a DH car..vs. trying to prove or verify really WHAT it was. Another words if I go into something with a predispositon as a researcher more than likely that will be the outcome..even if evidence surfaces that might lead me in other directions.

3) While in your post you mentioned you aren't sure the car is a DH car or even that he had 2..it seems to me that both are only specualtions and as yet 100% unproven...yet you have been marketing the car as THE 1968 DH FC...which is a definitive statement without interpetation..How does this seem like the right thing to do as with something of such a historical nature? IMO it would make more sense to make a "Generic" notasolgia car and market it as such until the true identity could be learned. Isn't it possbile that the car is another , maybe equally interesting and historically valuable car..just not one with the instant marketing and recognition as DH?

4) I guess I'm alittle confused as reading your post and eagerly awaiting your response I expected a point by point rebuttal to the pics on the other website..not just a recap of the "how and why" you bought the car..I guess I'm looking for "more" when someone goes out on a limb as you have and say "this is THE car.." especially with the marketing that you have done with it. To many this is THE car because you say it is, and I guess for one I'm alittle disappointed knowing that there is are doubts.

5) You mention Bob Gibson and talk about his being the guru, yet IMO it seems like you are questioning his knowledge as he found what he feels is a 1969 F/C but the impression I get from your words are you feel it isn't real..I'm not sure how whether you want the reader to believe he knew your car was a DH car because he heard one was for sale or not..maybe I'm confused.

6) I guess for me you mention a big break came from this Dave Libby and he more or less initally verified your car as a DH car...yet now I guess he doesn't or at least has doubts? You two disagree over whether there are 1 or 2 cars, yet he was there and you by your own admission weren't... Wouldn't he be the best source for this?

Tom please don't take offense to my observations as they aren't meant to be critical of you the person. I personally would have approached this car completely different then you did as far as research goes that is all.

I guess in closing isn't it entirely possible that you have another car, and not DH's car from 1968? IMHO the right thing to do..I'm sure I'll catch hell for this..is to post a retraction and stop the marketing of the car until more is known, beginning the research process again. IMO Tom didn't try to deceive only that he went into it with a preconceived answer...

Respectfully,

G S Carlson

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4) I guess I'm alittle confused as reading your post and eagerly awaiting your response I expected a point by point rebuttal to the pics on the other website..not just a recap of the "how and why" you bought the car..I guess I'm looking for "more" when someone goes out on a limb as you have and say "this is THE car.." especially with the marketing that you have done with it. To many this is THE car because you say it is, and I guess for one I'm alittle disappointed knowing that there is are doubts.


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You have to be a member of that group to view pics.

I guess that would be hard to do at the moment..lol However I'm sure given cooler heads people would allow Tom and others to be members if it cleard this up..can't swear to it as I'm certainly not in the "in" over there or anywhere else but who knows...Hell I bet someone can/would forward the pics..I wouldn't let not being a member stand in my way if I were Tom or use that as a basis for an excuse....I'd want to find out more info on my car if I was Tom. He has a really neat old race car, one whose potential history there are credible questions about right now, but extremely cool nevertheless...I'd love to own it..love those '68's...

[Rat_Pack]

Kim, here you go, these were removed from that video we talked about earlier. Shows Dick working on that car. .......Call me I am at home and we can finish our converstation..........RatPack...........

PS call on the home phone, cell phone died...........

[Rat_Pack]

Kim, here is another picture showing the car without Dick standing there...........Notice there is no lettering on the front fender other than the Carter fuel pump decal.. .........RatPack.................


Tom, you made some good statements but I feel you need to post some pictures showing the car as you found it to put this topic to rest............RatPack....................