Musclecar value question

[tom406]

If anyone looks at the Fall 06 issue of Muscle Car Review, in the cars of '69 section on page 21, theres a write up of a '69 ZL1 Vette that I've never seen before, a red ZL1/M40 AUTOMATIC roadster owned by a fellow named John Maher, who's also said to be the original owner and in possesion of the tank sticker. I've never seen this car before, being familiar only with the yellow car and the (debated) white car. It has a picture at the Pigeon Forge car show last year(its shown with polished Americans and a vintage race paint scheme). Does anyone have some knowledge of this car they can share?

[L-79 Nova]

Tom,I remember in 1988 at Bloomington during the L-88 meet ther was talk of an orange ZL-1 with non matching motor. Never heard any more about it. Ron.....

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[Pacecarjeff]

I met John at Carlisle. Very nice guy!!
The car is a real ZL1, and yes -he is the original owner.
From what I remember his car is orange.
John Z. knows him very well, he is one of those vettehead guys. He should be able to tell you much more.

[737Driver]

I've long since given up trying to make sense of values. I have very fond memories of driving a 68 Hemi Roadrunner jumping the local railraod tracks and going airborne (before I was a pilot) while listening to 'Songs For Beginners' by Graham Nash. I have fond memories of owning and enjoying my 69 Duntov L88 Corvette. When I was young, I couldn't afford the L88 but I could damn sure afford to jump railraod tracks in that Hemi Roadrunner.
Today, they would both be worth a lot of money to me. I think reliving our youth helps to determine values today. A lot of us could afford a high performance Mopar in the day but few of us could afford that Corvette. I think that is the equalizer.
Regards,
Mark

[Denis]

i believe the hemi values are as they are because of 2 individuals -- bill w and dave c -- singlehandedly cornering the market and driving prices up past $1m and more. e.g. 2006 b-j feature ragtop hemi sells for $2m, from dave c to bill w.

it's remarkable but not sustainable.

[Charley Lillard]

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i believe the hemi values are as they are because of 2 individuals -- bill w and dave c -- singlehandedly cornering the market and driving prices up past $1m and more. e.g. 2006 b-j feature ragtop hemi sells for $2m, from dave c to bill w.

it's remarkable but not sustainable.

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How on Earth do you think Dave C had any part of conering the market ? He had 2 Cudas and a Challenger and he bought them before the market went crazy. Don't you think MiltR selling his for 1 mil was a milestone in musclecar history and had a bigger effect than Dave selling his car a couple years later at Barrett-Jackson ?

[sYc]

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.........Don't you think MiltR selling his for 1 mil was a milestone in musclecar history and had a bigger effect than Dave selling his car a couple years later at Barrett-Jackson ?

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No doubt a milestone..

[Denis]

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...Don't you think MiltR selling his for 1 mil was a milestone in musclecar history and had a bigger effect than Dave selling his car a couple years later at Barrett-Jackson ?

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You gotta get up pretty early to put one past Lillard. You're right, Charley, I forgot the dentist car that started it all. Where is that car now?

[tom406]

The ZL1 roadster is apparently orange, it looked red in the picture, but anyone who tries to photograph red/orange cars knows how difficult it is to get a true representation.

rich p - your message is a little cryptic, do you mean your client has a contract for first rights to buy if the seller gets the itch, or is your client in the process of purchasing? Not to pry, but you put that out there..

I would have to agree with the supply and demand. While those two guys may be among the more visible, the market was only "cornered" from the standpoint that guys like Kevin S were sitting on their collections, and the low key longtime owners weren't inclined to sell until prices got crazy. Bottom line is more enthusiastic millionaires were in the market than there were cars. Corvettes, for reasons I don't entirely understand, were really late to the party in this last "boom". Musclecars preceded the rise in value of the significant Porsches and Ferraris this time, and one could make the argument that Corvettes (and to a certain extent, Shelby Cobras and '65-67 GT350's/GT500's) really follow that market more. In my experience, many Corvette and Shelby guys are sports car guys trying to convince themselves that Vettes are not really Chevys and GT350's aren't really Fords.

And no, I doubt those guys ever jumped railroad tracks in Roadrunners while blasting "Paranoid" on the 8 track and didn't lose their virginity in the back of a Chevelle to the romanitic tones of "Stairway to Heaven" after seducing their companions with adequate amounts of Pabst Blue Ribbon (or equivalent regional brew).

To be fair, they shot sparks after bottoming out their Austin Healeys on the train tracks, and lost their virginity on a blanket in a park after the Crosby, Stills and Nash concert once the bottle of Boone's Farm was emptied.

But still they drove fast and got laid just the same, so there really is more that brings us together than separates us

[TimG]

The orange ZL1 was at the Vettefest two years ago and the owner and car were are both amazing. I believe that it is a true ZL1 Corvette. I also agree that the L88's are certainly more collectable than most Hemi cars. Now Paul and Steve, can I have a ride your L88's?