Yellow Canadian L89

[TimG]

I think that before the science of trim tags evolved, many folks changed trim tags on all kinds of cars. The originals were lost or tossed and a reproduction put on to reflect what the restorer wanted. Now trim tags are, with out a doubt, harder to fake than an engine block.
I owned a '69 Pace Car that burnt in a fire, the trim tag melted. If anyone rebuilds that car, they'd have to replace the trim tag with a reproduction due to the loss of the original. They could include all of the original data, but it would be a reproduction on an original Pace Car with the original engine (what's left of it). It would probably raise lots of questions.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

"....It would probably raise lots of questions...."

As it should! A car that got burnt in a fire, lost it's tag, and got rebuilt - has a story to tell that will answer the questions.

[427king]

If someone removed the winters casting mark on the aluminum heads ,does that mean the car isnt real???? You guys are forgetting that alot of people took off cowl tags to make the firewall and cowl area look cleaner,and others took them off to sand blast the body and they got misplaced . If this car is a canada docs car[or a US car with buildsheet],ill take it over any undocumented real tag car.There is a guy in CT that sells trim tags on ebay like they are jujubees,if anyones car went thru his hands in the past, theyd have a car with no tag for sure.I assume the way he got them is that he bought cars and sold them without a cowl tag,since 10/15 years ago noone even looked at them and wouldnt know if they were missing . To assume the car isnt real because a meaningless tag was changed is not being fair to the seller unless you know for a fact that something else is going on.

[LVCamaro]

uh-oh...we agree again, Chuck.

SS

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Nobody is saying that the car is not real, just asking for an explanation as to 'why' it has a fake tag. If the story is that the firewall was smoothed.... it was a racecar.... the original was lost.... whatever the reason, it's usually better to give the explanation up front as opposed to having the car go through this!

[ZL1#17]

Why was an "X" code used if the car was built in the first week of December? According to CRG, the x code started in the 2nd week of Dec. Here is a link to CRG website:
X code facts

[Late BrakeU2]

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I think this thread has already got out of hand by a couple of individuals , they know who they are, the way i see it, is the owners of these fabulous rare cars have nothing to prove to anyone on this site. If you have a pocket full of money and want to buy a car of this caliber , go see it and I am sure you will get the whole story and proof on both cars , if I owned these cars i would not respond to all the wannabe car detectives with no money to purchase either of these cars,if you put your money where your mouth is, then, you would expect the owners will disclose all the information you would need to purchase such a high dollar rare car.there seems to be a few people on this site trying to get to the bottom of something for no reason ,just my opinion .

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I can think of 225 thousand reasons to get to the bottom of it.For that kind of coin I would be asking lots of questions especially on here and especially when a whiff of smoke is in the air.With statements like "wannabee detectives with no money to purchase either of them"It seems like there is an effort to put out the flames as well as fan them??.It's a gorgeous car nonetheless but it's at the point where correctly done clones are to me becoming more attractive at a third the cost,and no questions asked. Who the heck knows where this market is headed I think the top was a year ago and certainly would not want to be a broker flooring big ticket merchandise right now..but if I was it sure makes sense to have a third basemen doing damage control-can you dig it?

[Terry_z28]

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Why was an "X" code used if the car was built in the first week of December? According to CRG, the x code started in the 2nd week of Dec. Here is a link to CRG website:
X code facts

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thats the dead give away on that tag

[Mark_C]

So now you know that the tag isn't a replica of the original, cause it got smashed, melted or some other cockomany story. Its a made up tag. At best someone added the X66 number to the original info, at worst its a completly made up tag that bears no relationship to the original.

[ChevyThunder]

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OK....I'm getting lost again. Somewhere in this thread someone points out a green COPO that has a fake trim tag. Somewhere in this thread is a link to the old thread on the same COPO. In the old thread the car was re-united with it's orig trim tag and engine ? If so where is it's orig trim tag ? Is this even the same car ?

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Charley , That COPO was discussed briefley in a thread over a year ago . Richard Englsh was selling a Shelby and he mentioned his fully documented " green with delux interior copo" . I beleive it is the same car. Both you and I participated in that thread and I asked Richard if it was a COPO I had heard about in my search for a 69 COPO for myself. Richard did say in that thread that this car had " quite a story" and mentioned his willingness to start another thread to discuss the car but I am not sure if he did or not.
I passed on the car only because I really want a car with no stories and I did not feel cofortible with this particular car. Not saying anything is wrong with it just saying I was looking for something that was an a known car with everyone on the same page as to pedigree and at the time I did not see enough information for the comfort level I was looking for. Here is a link to that thread should you wish to review.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show...fpart/all/vc/1

I agree with Mark. Fake trim tag for sure but the 12A date also hurts any argument that the tag is a replacement for a damaged tag as the info on this fake was not included on a 12A tag. Has anyone heard any explanation on why these cars have fake tags ?