Barrett Jackson Las Vegas - Page 16

TMagda · #**151** 10-23-2008, 12:46 AM

Disregarding the legality of the restorers actions and the way it was marketed, is it possible the buyer did not care about matching numbers and just liked the car? He appears to have the resources to be able to overpay due to personal preference.

Mark_C · #**152** 10-23-2008, 01:03 AM

Any day he wants a 69 pacecar for 125K he can have mine, I'll even deliver it.

Seriously who, no matter how much money they have, would over pay by at least two and a half times what the car would have been worth with a "restoration drive train" and an original body, let alone a rebody and nothing original on it (if we are to beleive the story).

Would Bill gates pay 10 bucks for a hamburger when the retail price is 1.39 just because he's Bill Gates. I doubt it.

TMagda · #**153** 10-23-2008, 01:17 AM

I missed the part where he paid $125k. That is a lot.

**Mr70** · #**154** 10-23-2008, 02:04 AM

What the Hell is a "restoration drive train" anyways?

**DaveC68** · #**155** 10-23-2008, 02:08 AM

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Guessing restamped/restored to appear "as was" when new.

**PeteLeathersac** · #**156** 10-23-2008, 02:17 AM

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Guessing restamped/restored to appear "as was" when new.

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Yes it's a perfect imitation if there even can be such a thing and the 'restoration' engine or drivetrain names came from the Corvette crowd..

I always think of it as kind've like the Jaguar owners club...they like telling everyone how superior of an automobile they are yet when you get one, you soon learn the truth and it's too late so you have to either join the others in the liar's club or lose money..

~ Pete

**njsteve** · #**157** 10-23-2008, 04:08 AM

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Put what this car was represented as aside please. What I am talking about here is JUST the car itself. I saw a few posts earlier that someone said the car should be DESTROYED (Les Quam i believe it was). If the vins were never "stolen" and 2 cars were purchased legally and the vin and hidden numbers were switched to SAVE a very rare set of numbers, then I don't see what the difference is between saving a car with 95% of the metal needing to be replaced and one that is completely solid and had a rare set of numbers put on it from a very rusty body to save a piece of GM history.

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Fast67VelleN20,

The difference plain and simple is that IT IS A FELONY, period, end of story. It doesn't matter what your altruistic reasons are, for example, that you are saving the only one of its kind, or you had a 6 cyl perfect body and the original body was too rusty to save, etc. The law has no loophole for restorations. (-if you want that loophole, call your congressman and lobby for it. Maybe we can then call them "Restoration Bodies" to go along with the "Restoration Engines" already out there)

Your opinion doesn't matter in criminal court.

If you take the VIN from one body and put it on another IT IS A FELONY. If you sell, buy, trade a VIN tag IT IS A FELONY. (I know I am beginning to sound like Jeff Foxworthy here...You might be a felon if...)

The VIN dies with the car. There is no reincarnation with VIN plates. There is no transplantation with VINs. There is no Hindu caste system with VINs that elevates one from a Z/28 to a higher Karmic level than one from a 6 cyl coupe.

O.J. didn't think it was robbery and kidnapping to bring a bunch of thugs with guns into a hotel room and order people around and take their property. But guess what, robbery and kidnapping are still felonies regardless of your personal beliefs.

Here's an analogy.

Jon Smith thinks that money should be free to take from a bank because it's just paper. Jon Smith doesn't have a bank account at the First Savings & Loan. Jon Smith legally owns a gun. Jon Smith walks into the First Savings & Loan with a gun and takes $125,000 from the teller. Since Jon Smith doesn't believe it should be a crime, did a crime actually occur?

Yes, because it's still a felony regardless of what Jon Smith believes.

Cars with swapped VINs are considered contraband under the law and are seized 99% of the time. They cannot be returned to the open market and are either used as law enforcement vehicles or scrapped. There is no replacement VINs issued by the federal government. And it is very rare that a state will issue a new identification number for the car and let it go back out - too many liability issues.

Mark_C · #**158** 10-23-2008, 04:24 AM

"Restoration drive train" is a term Jerry MacNeish uses in his reports for restamped components. Goes hand in hand with JohnZ's "restoration graffiti" as applied to all the chalk marks on firewalls and inspection marks on every component under the hood on over restored cars.

And restoration bodies already exist, they are made by Dynacorn and since they never were a "car" you can transfer your VIN and tags over to them, as they are just a giant repair part, not a car. But thats a subject thats already been beaten to death.

COPO 70 RS/Z28 · #**159** 10-23-2008, 04:53 AM

OK Im not an attorney but I am now wondering what happens with one of those Camaro or mustang bodies if you change the whole body do they come with a new vin or ......??????

**njsteve** · #**160** 10-23-2008, 05:02 AM

Same legal problems if you put another car's VIN on it. The correct and legal way to do it would be to apply for a state identification number (similar to a VIN but issued by the DMV). Most states have specific guidleines for the process which is usually used when people build kit cars or street rods.

By the way I forgot to mention something else on the donor body issue. If you use a "donor body" you are essentially tampering with that car's VIN by removing/destroying it. That is a whole other felony as well.

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