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Drop your party affliation and look at the situation objectively.
I voted for Bush in 2000 but he and his administratiion have accomplished nothing positive in our country and the world. He has stirred up a hornets nest in the middle east and overlooked almost everything domestically. In my opinion he is the worst president we have had since Richard Nixon. And by the time he is done he will surely surpass Nixon. Maybe you do not know what is going on with the bugdet deficit but Bush , et al have been pushing through record spending bills to fund the war in Iraq under the desguise of " emergency spending ". If those hundreds of billions of our tax dollars were included , like they should be,the true picture of how deeply in debt Bush has put our country would be obvious. |
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I guess I feel compelled to season those eggs a little.
As a self described independent who almost always votes liberal democratic, I must say I'm happy Kerry has formally dropped out of the '08 race. His uncanny ability to put on a dress and dance for the GOP mudslingers is amazing. Ted Kennedy's ability to throw a few back, take off his pants and dance willingly, yet sustain himself politically is equally amazing. But I count the days until George W.'s term is done. The fallout from this administration will adversely affect the lives of me and my children far beyond the taxes I may have saved. Bush is a cordial, well-intentioned despot. But a despot nonetheless. The erosion of civil liberties is shocking. It's like the oft-quoted Vietnam line "We had to burn the village to save the village" except its more like "We had to take away your liberties to keep you free." The climate of fear and intimidation in politics and media from 2002-2006 is the closest thing to 50's McCarthyism I've experienced in my life. Preaching freedom and Democracy while shipping people off to foreign countries to get tortured, and holding people indefinately without formal charges is a sad joke that does nothing to enhance our image or give our policies credibility abroad. And, of course, this administration spends money like no financial conservative I've ever heard. I hope they at least learned that going to war on the cheap ends up costing a lot more in the end. The mistakes made over the last 6 years will take another 20 to iron out. I hope '08 brings us some candidates who have a vision, respect the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the strength to appoint people to positions based upon experience and ability, not for political favors owed. And if they can keep their fly zipped when alone with interns or campaign workers, that would be nice, too. ![]() Respectfully disagreeing, TOM BRESKE |
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Drop your party affliation and look at the situation objectively. I voted for Bush in 2000 but he and his administratiion have accomplished nothing positive in our country and the world. He has stirred up a hornets nest in the middle east and overlooked almost everything domestically. In my opinion he is the worst president we have had since Richard Nixon. And by the time he is done he will surely surpass Nixon. Maybe you do not know what is going on with the bugdet deficit but Bush , et al have been pushing through record spending bills to fund the war in Iraq under the desguise of " emergency spending ". If those hundreds of billions of our tax dollars were included , like they should be,the true picture of how deeply in debt Bush has put our country would be obvious. [/ QUOTE ]Trust me if PRES Bush desquised anything it would be on the front pages or a cover story on every media outlet. fact is the BOZOs you vote for are spending all of there time and our money bashing OUR PRESIDENT, and maybe you forgot MR. CARTER or i suppose you think he was a great president,if Mr. Clinton would have done his job when he had the chance we wouldnt be in iraq today, you cant find anything that has been acomplished by this administration, CNN everyday for you i guess the Communist News Network, i think the media should report the story (THE WHOLE STORY) not just the bits and pieces that keep people like you happy, If you need a plane ticket one way somewhere i will be first to pitch in,
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O.K. Let's talk facts fact#1 There 37 millon people in Calf. Fact #2 There 37 millon in Iraq. We have loss 3200 soldiers in Iraq. in 2 1/2 years. Facts are we have 6 people killed every day in Calf. This is not car accidents but people murder each day. 6 x 365 days = 2190 per year That folks is more per year than Iraq. You dont see that on the news!! Fact Calf. 720,00 people in prison or jail at cost of 20,000.00 per day. Maybe we should pull out of Calf. HUMMMMM
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Gentlemen, please!
Politics is like the stock market, everybody is right while everybody is wrong. This is why nobody can corner the market, or make this into a one party country. Both parties have had their chance to dominate, and either party can make a strong case for the others failures. No wonder we have never ending problems. This country always unites in times of crises, such as 9/11, and devides in time of crises like the war in Iraq. I am more historically inclined than politically or emotionally. Please read this: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/c...c=ealert070129 No politician will ever get elected by talking common sense. Todays politicians are elected by negative campaign adds, and digging up dirt or "Gotcha" stories. What would this presidents two terms have been like if the Demacrats had a Ken Star to waste the taxpayers money on George and Dicks shady business deals before they were elected. Or were they elected? ![]() This type of politics has got to stop, so that the real problems can be resolved or fixed. IMHO Just my .02 ![]()
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What would this presidents two terms have been like if the Demacrats had a Ken Star to waste the taxpayers money on George and Dicks shady business deals before they were elected. Or were they elected? ![]() [/ QUOTE ] For someone who was pretending to play the nuetral card.........
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I respectfully agree with Tom Breske but I will go on to say that G.W. Bush has been an unmitigated disaster for all but the very rich. If he had listened to the warnings such as the famous CIA briefing memo titled, "bin Laden determined to strike within the United States," 9/11 might have been averted. Well, it's all hindsight now.
If a Democratic president had presided over the failures and blunders of the past 6 years the Republicans would have set fire to Washington D.C., as they nearly did in going after Bill Clinton. (That'll teach him to lie under oath about his extra-marital affairs.) (Any of you boys ever lie about an extra-marital affiar??? Don't answer, I'm sure it's different because you weren't the president.) If everything was Clinton's fault in the '90s then everything is Bush's fault now. (Being president is rough, better wear a cup.) As for "flip-flops," how many times has Bush flip-flopped on his reasons for invading Iraq--is it seven or eight times he's changed his reasons? I can't even remember what the latest rationale for the war is--what is it, the "Evil Dictator" rationale? As the late Colonel David Hackworth said, and I paraphrase him, "once the orgasmic feeling of invading the country and bombing the hell out of it has passed--then what?" A 50-year occupation, that's what. (The Middle East oilfields are estimated to produce for maybe 50 more years before depletion. Feel free to Google or Wikipedia that and correct me.) I joke with my 6-year old son that someday he will be able to tap the sands of Iraq from his boots. Oh, and the Bush and the Kennedy families share one thing in common: They would go to any length to keep their sons out of trouble with the law. They are American elites first and foremost. (Ted Kennedy should have gone on trial for Mary Joe Kopechne's death, but it's just hindsight now.) Get ready for Iran next. They're the real problem now, especially since Bush blundered into Iraq and provided Iran a method to invade Iraq themselves and influence Middle East politics and power. You think Iran would like to control the Iraqi oil fields? Bush has been a blessing to both bin Laden and to the Iranians. He got rid of the one guy who was keeping a lid on things--against the advice of almost every intelligent American statesman. Save the "we got rid of an evil dictator" crap. Saddam was our buddy in the '80s when we were aiding his war with Iran and he was just as bloodthirsty then as he ever was and we couldn't have cared less. America's incresing appetite for oil was what prompted the invasion of Iraq and the "mushroom cloud" and 9/11 provided the perfect cover story. That, and we had to beat the Russians and Chinese into the Middle East so they wouldn't get to the oil before us. Just as Colin Powell warned: Bush broke Iraq and now he owns it. But, I love burning gas as much as anyone so maybe we should all be quiet now that we're in there with no way out. Oh don't worry, even if we elected Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama (which I doubt*) they would still be just as stuck in Iraq as President Bush is. Iraq is the war that will keep on giving for at least 20 more years. As long as there's oil in the ground we'll be over there, sand in our boots, I guarantee it. *I predict Jeb Bush will be the Republican candidate in 2008. Hey, at least he can string a sentance together. I think a Jeb Bush presidency would be appropriate since that would keep the Iraq war in the family. Maybe Jeb, because of his intense sibling rivalry with his older brother, would run an "Anything but Dubya" administration, much the same way that Dubya ran an "Anything but Clinton" administration. (Richard Clarke? Get him and his anti-terrorist ramblings out of here!) Jeb seems like a smart guy so maybe there's hope. (I served in the Gulf War and still have sand in my old flight boots so save the "support our troops" comments. Every American with a brain in their head supports our troops. You really want to support the troops? Either join up and get your ass over there and help or vote to bring them home alive. Or...just use less gas.) |
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Bill, How many people do you know that WERE in the service that did the same thing Clinton and were thrown out of the service. Since Clinton was the Comander in Chief of the services he should have been Impeached. Same as them!!
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SMGCO -
I think you might have been baking in the California sun a little too much. If you do not view the items I listed as being positive for the country and for the world I really don't know what to say to you. Those are major positive items that you are going to completely dismiss and that is just not right. You paint a pretty broad stroke yet do not get into specifics. It's an easy to complain about this and that but when you don't back it up with facts it loses all creditbillity. As Rich pointed out you are completely ignoring Jimmy Carter, but as you stated, it is your opinion so you have the right to state what ever you please. Funny thing though, until we came to Iraq, Saddam would have sent a squad over to your home or business and had you and your family tortured raped and murdered for your comments implying he was the worst leader his country has had since the 70's. Today the people of Irag are free to say anything they want. I can not see how you overlook the positive aspect of that but hey that's your opinion right? Let's take a look at the worldwide HIV/Aids problem. In three short years the number of people worldwide that receive life saving drugs has grown from 50K to over 800,000 through the Emergency Plan for Aids Releif that the US started and solely supports. The Middle East has been a hot bed for a long long time. Always has been and always will. Does that mean we turn a blind eye to it and let it go on or do we try make a difference so the people over there can at least share some of the rights that people over here have and sometimes take for granted as well as keeping the terrorist at bay as much as possible. I understand what is going on with the budget very well. Did President Bush just get in front of the American people and tell them he successfull in his pledge to reduce the budget deficit by 50% by the year 2009 and did it 3 full years ahead of schedule? Did he also state that he would be submitting a plan that would reduce it entirely in 5 years? I was born in Washington DC and grew up in the suburbs ( I have sinced moved to a farm out in the country). I have many friends on both sides of the aisle. I am all to familar with what goes on inside the Beltway with both parties and it's called politics. It's been happening in Washington DC since the days of George Washington. Again these are some of the examples of what you deem the worst President since Nixon has accomplished since he has been in office. Doesn't seem to bad to me at all. |
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GO WATCH MICHAEL MOORES MOVIE ONE MORE TIME I STILL SEE SIGHNS OF A BACKBONE IN YA....
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