Does anyone agree with my view over at TC?

[YenkoChevelle69]

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/show...976#post787976

This guy over on Team Chevelle is taking a 70 malibu and stamping vins and making trim tags to pass it off as a "recreation" in his words. I think it's a load of BS and told him so. Anyone care to put in your 2 cents? He says he's not trying to pass it off as something it's not (LS6) but if he wasn't why is he stamping parts and replacing trim tags etc?

[Rick H]

Can you explain what this means?

"The cowl tag reads 72 for the paint code, which is a dead ringer for determining an SS car for those of you who don't know."

"dead ring"

All I have read and seen are statements such as "could" and "probably" was an SS if it had the 72 code. I have not seen anything that states that is 100% true. Unless someone can produce written documentation (not hearsay) to this I would think that any 1969 Chevrolet such as a Camaro, Chevelle, Nova, could be painted code 72 no matter what the model.

Oh by the way. When you backhalfed your 69 with the four door sheetmetal to use GM sheetmetal as you stated you wanted to do, you did check to make sure that the date codes stamped in the metal matched close enough prior to the build date of the 2 door car?

He's clearly stating recreation and not hiding anything (at this time). If and when you sell your car you will disclose it was backhalfed, right?

Rick H.

[YenkoChevelle69]

Sure I will disclose what was done. Why wouldn't I? No, I didn't look for any date codes on the sheet metal.

I still don't understand why this guy is stamping all of these parts with vins etc...

In 1969 Daytona Yellow and Monaco Oragne were SS only colors for Chevelle.

[Charley Lillard]

A Friend bought a orange 6 cylinder 69 Camaro brand new. He sold it about 8 years ago.

[Rat_Pack]

I have not been watching this post on Team Chevelle but I figured it wouldn't take long for someone else (I know of another car out there now) to do this exact same thing. He knows something that very few people know about code 72 and 76 when it comes to the Chevelles in 69 and he is going to exploit it. Since the Privacy Act was started doing title searches is next to impossible unless you know someone. That was the old fashioned way of tracking down the previous history of a vehicle, by finding previous owners and asking them what the car was when they had it. Whomever this uscrupulous person is on Team Chevelle, someone needs to try and get a vin number from him or even better, find out his real name and give it to the local authorities. All that has to be said is this guy is tampering with the vin's and trim tags. The local investigator into stolen cars here said that eventhough a trim tag does not contain the vin, it does contain information regarding what the car was originally and can in some instances be a crime to alter it. Case in point was a 70 LS5 Chevelle that turned out to be a rebody with a 72 Malibu shell. He said since that even if the trim tag was the only item changed, it could be considered fraud as the intent was to make something it wasn't. The administrator could do some investigating by getting his ip address and finding out what town he is in and report him that way. What a scum bag!!!!

Charlie, yes there are Hugger Orange & Daytona Yellow non-hi-po Camaros built in 1969 but there is a difference when it comes to the Chevelles as only the SS cars (COPO's esxcluded) were available with this color. You could special order, as with any GM car, a car with any color of paint that Dupont made at that time on a production vehicle whether GM, Ford, or Chrysler. However there are specific differences on the Chevelles pertaining to these two colors and I would prefer not to eloborate on them publicly.............RatPack...................... .I know of a 1969 Chevelle wagon that is a 350 4-spd and is Daytona Yellow..............

[Rick H]

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In 1969 Daytona Yellow and Monaco Oragne were SS only colors for Chevelle.

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As I stated before, show me written documentation NOT hearsay.

Rick H.

[Rick H]

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However there are specific differences on the Chevelles pertaining to these two colors and I would prefer not to eloborate on them publicly.............RatPack...................... .

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And just why not elaborate on them publicly?? Some sort of secret government conspiracy??



Rick H.

[Charley Lillard]

Just me spacing out...I was thinking Camaro..

[Rick H]

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I still don't understand why this guy is stamping all of these parts with vins etc...

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Ok, I went back and read his post and I read your claim and I looked at his website. You asked him on the other forum[ QUOTE ]
Wow 69396SS, whats up with all the number stamping you've got going on?


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I saw where he said the tranny is VIN correct but where is "all the number stamping" I didn't see anything but the tranny. You are insinuating more then what he is openly claiming and I can see how he would get a little hot with you.

Rick H.

[Rat_Pack]

Rick, I too wonder now how this got started as I just read the post on TC and it looks like some of them have been deleted. I don't see any mention of the O & Y paint codes and I tend to agree with you as to why this guy got a little hot. There is something there that I am missing but if it is only about the trans then I don't see anything else wrong unless he does try to pass it off as original.

As for the paint codes, in the Chevelle line (others excluded) those colors were only available on the SS models in 69 without having to special order the paint color, that is why there are the other models of the Chevelles with those colors. (I have read you PM but I had already started this reply.) This is documented in all of the GM literature for the Chevelle that year. No conspiracy either, just don't need to give the counterfeiters any more information than they have, especially on a public forum BTW, thanks for the info on the other car.............RatPack...........